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    Question Betfair 0% house edge games

    Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
    A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

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    I think they have 2 things in their favor:

    1) Variance
    2) Betting limits

    I'm not sure what the actual limits are because I can't even play in free mode, but I doubt they will be going out of business any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfkostas View Post
    Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
    A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

    Holy moly ! How do I sign up ? What games can I play ? How much can I cash out ? How do I find this place ? Tell me quick...before they change their minds !!....

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    wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge??? wonder what the blackjack rules are?

    someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!


    sorry guys... didn't take the time to look more carefully and read the old posts. the zero edge games are only on certain table games in what they call their "zero lounge" i guess. their main lounge has 40 or so regular games that are not included in the zero edge thing. but.... for a second i did get a "mental" erection!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo925 View Post
    wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge???

    someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!
    Well hell, no US huh, I knew it sounded too good to be true, at least for me anyway..

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    Not sure about the number of decks of their blackjack game but the 2 extra rules they got are: suited blackjack pays 2 to 1 and 5 card 21 wins 2to 1. Also double down only on 8,9,10,11.

    You can always play even if in US. You just need someone who lives in UK and play through him which I would do if gambling was outlawed here. If you win he mails your winning if not you have lost nothing since it was his card
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo925 View Post
    wow!!!! just checked the site. unfortunately no u.s. but i'm looking forward to hearing about what the slots play like!! apparently, the entire casino and all the games are 0 house edge??? wonder what the blackjack rules are?

    someone let us know what a 100% slot plays like!!
    They only have 4 zero-house-edge games, Roulette, Blackjack, Baccarat and Jacks or Better. No slots in the Zero Lounge (but they are available in the regular casino).

    The roulette is the only game with truly fair odds ("fair" in the sense that the payoff is inversely proportional to the probability). The Wizard of Odds and Aka23 have both calculated a negligible house edge for Blackjack and Baccarat if I remember correctly. Jacks or Better has a player edge of 0.0000189514%

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfkostas View Post
    Can they really afford to remove the house edge? if yes what's the point having the games available?
    A roulette with 0% edge can be deadly for a casino should a whale take them up.

    I expect that the zero lounge is a promotional tool to bring in players to more profitable areas of the site, like the sportsbook. 5Dimes does something similar with their bonus casino.

    The blackjack game has 8 decks. The house edge is ~0.02% with optimal basic strategy and ~0.05% with standard multi-deck basic strategy. I believe it's the third lowest house edge online... after boss media single deck and vuetec.

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    I think the best reason they are not offering this is that most people just don't play basic strategy. This is where an "artificial" house edge is created for the house.

    I am always amazed at the number of people I see not doubling on 11 vs. 6, splitting tens, etc. when I play live blackjack

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobWin View Post
    Holy moly ! How do I sign up ? What games can I play ? How much can I cash out ? How do I find this place ? Tell me quick...before they change their minds !!....
    Too bad - no US. They've been running this for quite some time now. They even had a special Casinomeister bonus which ended last week

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