How Many Online Casinos Cheat?

[ThodorisK]

http://www.casinobonuswhores.com/com....php?f=7&t=418


rigged ole!

[winbig]

Would you please give it up already?

Started with $159.25 (D+B), 15x WR - ~$2400

Keep in mind 4 things:

1. At one point, I was down to $30.

2. I headed over to blackjack, and quickly took my balance up to $179. Then I started hitting everything.

3. I cashed out $900 from another bonus ($100D+$100B WR = $4500) not even a week ago.

4. Withdrawals were processed just fine. Never once did they try to play the "FU" card.

[happygobrokey]

http://www.casinobonuswhores.com/com....php?f=7&t=418


rigged ole!

erm, the person was playing stickies, and using large bets such that risk of ruin is huge. you're losing your touch man! you used to at least be able to articulate your opinions. now all you can do is point to cases and mutter. i'm disappointed in you. give up your quest to prove things about casinos, and stick to discovering advancements in physics and medicine. and please post here when your findings are published somewhere, as i'm interested to know what you meant about these aforementioned discoveries.

[ThodorisK]

Dont you think its a bit obvious to the average mind that your hurried reactions are nothing but affiliates trying to defend the reputation of their business?

Dont worry, your business will always find new idiots to suck their blood, as there are always lots of idiots who think they can beat roulette in land based casinos.

But this unlimited greed that lead the online casinos to start cheating, will do them more harm than good. Even the 5% rake was not enough for them, they had to take everything. Suppose most land based casinos started cheating. It would be found out sooner or later, and what impact would that have to their future profits? Of course it would be much better if they never cheated. And that's exactly why land based casinos dont cheat. It's not because of morality, its because that's their interest.

It's laughable for me to see affiliates rushing to oppose anyone who claims online casinos cheat. This very act of yours seems to others like one more indication of guilt.

You are asking me for more proofs. I dont have to give proofs. The real laugh will be when all online casinos will stop cheating, but nobody will believe them they dont cheat.

The fact that convinces me the most that they cheat is this: The only thing one has to do to make a profit out of a bonus, (i.e. to have positive expected value), is to play blackjack basic strategy. Everyone knows basic strategy. Therefore the losses casinos make because of the bonuses are not small compared to their profits. Evenmore, they have to pay a lot to affiliates. Scarch your heads to find a satisfactory answer to that. I cant.

[thetic]

Searched my head and can't help you with an answer Thodorisk sorry.

However to pull up a thread on scalping stickies to prove your point is beyond belief. Your friend from the whores may have 1 out of 8 when he was trying to double his bonus and deposit but he still had enough money in there to bye his GF an engagement ring and more on its' way. He may well have won the previous 7 out of 8 before his bad run or indeed the next 8 after this bad run but you won't hear about that. On any 50/50 game there will be a point when you lose 8 in a row or worse eventually.

Anyone can play $15 a hand on BJ and you can swing +/- $200 in the space of a minute.

Your point on anyone being able to play basic BJ strategy to make a profit on bonuses is perfectly valid. However;

1. The bonuses that let you do this are now becoming rarer
2. Your example is about someone trying to double a sticky bonus using large bets (= large variance).

Yes there are casinos out there that cheat you, although more often than not this is more to do with payment issues rather than cheating software. These quite quickly come out in this forum and others and if you have any sense you avoid them. To say all casinos cheat is just a little cuckoo.
As for not having to give proof, what crap is that. I can say that I've got the biggest willy in Europe but when asked to prove it I can just say "I dont have to give proofs" and that makes it true???

I'm not going to bother looking the info up for you but you will be aware that a number of casinos publish their payout figures and that this is audited by some highly respectable accounting firms and I believe in most cases the payouts are in the 90something% area.

You sound as if you have a huge distrust with the casinos and if this is the case best thing would be to walk away rather than give your money to the cheats.

Please for your own sanity, drop it!

ps. I am not an affiliate for any casino before that is aimed at me.

[ThodorisK]

Stop what? I havent touched the sticky bonuses. Hell, no, I didnt trust any casino to place a big bet, even before I met all these cheating-indicating stats in my play. I only played cashable bonuses where even when cheated, I would break even. And this happened to me to many such bonuses, e.g. Betfair, Monthly VC, Private, etc. As for poker, I have stopped and wouldn't dare to play again.

Cuckoo is to believe (=be 100% sure!) that most casinos dont have the software to cheat any time they choose to.

As for the payout reports checked by eCOGRA etc, even ministers of the government DO get bribed. Why not them? Besides that, they can allocate the cheating that way, so that they dont have to pay that much to the "advantage players" because of the bonuses, and still the profits and the overall payout reports can again be the same. Meaning, they can cheat the bonus abusers, but give a little extra luck to the common gamblers who play regularly. No matter how much money you give to a common gambler, the house edge is bound to get it all back.

[thetic]

Stop what? I havent touched the sticky bonuses.

Quick answer and then I'm leaving this thread. You may not play sticky bonuses but you earlier used an example of someone busting sticky bonuses by playing aggressively that casinos are all cheats.

How stupid are you if you state categorically that you will not play poker again, yet you are happy to continue to play at the cheating casinos???

[ThodorisK]

They usually cheat 1-3 hands out of 100. This is enough to wipe out the bonus profit after the wagering is completed. But at the same time, when playing the minimoum bet, this wagering becomes a large enough statistical sample to indicate this 1-3% cheating. In this case, I break even. If they cheat more than this, the statistical confidence for cheating becomes more than 95%, and if they do it to all bonus players, it will be found out the next day. So, exactly because of this, most casinos dont cheat all bonus players, or they cheat less than 2 out of 100 hands, leaving some profit for the bonus abuser. But anyway, they cut their bonus cost. However, some casinos do take that risk and cheat like nuts , e.g. Skybetvegas cheats 5 hands out of the 100. They made me lose 29 pounds after about 500 pounds wagered (betting always 1 pound), and I run away forgetting about the bonus.

Some casinos do not cheat that much at the sign-up bonus, but they are waiting for the bonus abuser to come back for a monthly, where he can get "unlucky". I do have some cashable bonuses waiting for me at some casinos, but I have already made profits from them, and I dont dare to come back. Three times I did this come back: at VC, 1128, and Global Player, and I experienced the worse "luck" in my life.

Many casinos offer bonuses with small or negative expected value, so they have no reason to cheat, unless e.g. against a high roller on a winning streak, etc.

[Casinomeister]

Dont you think its a bit obvious to the average mind that your hurried reactions are nothing but affiliates trying to defend the reputation of their business?

Dont worry, your business will always find new idiots to suck their blood, as there are always lots of idiots who think they can beat roulette in land based casinos...

FYI, most of the people who are disagreeing with you are players, not affiliates. Give that one a break, okay? That argument is pretty much null and void.

[shaunm]

They made me lose 29 pounds

This seriously makes me think you have a problem! no company makes you lose money, they did not make you log into their casino, they did not makeyou deposit money, they did not make you lose money, they are all by your choice! Gambling is all about choice, its about which footy team you back, which horse you back, which number in roulette you chose, no one makes you choose these, i'd suggest you stay away from gambling if you're blaming other people for you losing money