How Many Online Casinos Cheat?

**spearmaster** · 23rd August 2007, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by dazlazz

Hi folks, just so you know chartwell, crypto and MG have a 98% RNG - the other 2% is made up of varibales as they say - this could be anything i.e. time of day, most wins etc - however the varibale is supposed only to be used to increase the randomness of the play and not to in anyway influence results in a casino / software provider's benefit!.

WTF??

Exactly what was your job description at all three of these software providers?

**happygobrokey** · 23rd August 2007, 06:28 PM

spear you blew a perfect chance to shill playtech, you playtech shill!

your post should have been "well i know playtech does not have such a thing, play there for the closest to 100% random."

**dazlazz** · 23rd August 2007, 06:29 PM

Hi Spearmaster - not with the software providers, but high up in companies that used those softwares...without going into too much detail. I'm sure you forum guys should have known this....especially about chartwell!! Won't be back online till tomorrow now....have a hot date with a Brasilian chick, hope you guys have a good night too!!

Best regards,

Dazzla

**spearmaster** · 23rd August 2007, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by happygobrokey

spear you blew a perfect chance to shill playtech, you playtech shill!

your post should have been "well i know playtech does not have such a thing, play there for the closest to 100% random."

As I have said elsewhere my participation here is personal, I do not represent my company here and in this particular case the claim that was made is not possible since anything less than 100% cannot be a Random Number Generator.

**ThodorisK** · 23rd August 2007, 06:46 PM

My mistake of not clarifying this: The taking advantage of the bias (non-randomness) of a RNG, that I was talking about, was regarding the bias (non-randomness) of a FAIR RNG, supposing there is no cheating. Cheating cannot be beaten as then the dealer is given better cards no matter what you do.

**happygobrokey** · 23rd August 2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by spearmaster

As I have said elsewhere my participation here is personal, I do not represent my company here and in this particular case the claim that was made is not possible since anything less than 100% cannot be a Random Number Generator.

oh spear! i thought the two laughy-faces would be enough to let you know i was kidding. plus, i was on your side when there was heat over this.

if what you say is true, then there are no rng's because it's just impossible to algorithmically create a random value/figure. and even if the thing does seem to create random numbers, you simply can't affirm that every number it ever generates is completely random. it would only take a single counterinstance at any time past or future to refute it.

who was it that posted the challenge of two blocks of seemingly random characters (caps and small letters), one of which was mathematically patterned using some complex algorithm and the other with no reason to the ordering? i should think this would make a good exercise for our pal theodore, and certainly a better way to pass the time than playing a "rigged" casino. and since he studies physics he should know a lot about equations and variables and so forth.

theodore, if you make decisions because you can "read" the way the rng works, then it certainly is not a fair rng. please elaborate on this, and don't worry about our inferior minds, even if it's "greek" to us, we'd at least like to see you using technical words so you sound credible. where were you educated, and what degrees do you hold again? thanks,

**GrandMaster** · 23rd August 2007, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by happygobrokey

who was it that posted the challenge of two blocks of seemingly random characters (caps and small letters), one of which was mathematically patterned using some complex algorithm and the other with no reason to the ordering?

It was I. I still have not received a solution from any of those people who claim to know instinctively when a casino is dealing rigged cards.

**happygobrokey** · 23rd August 2007, 07:58 PM

post it here, please. our boy theo can crack it. he claims to be smarter than the wiz.

**spearmaster** · 23rd August 2007, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by happygobrokey

if what you say is true, then there are no rng's because it's just impossible to algorithmically create a random value/figure. and even if the thing does seem to create random numbers, you simply can't affirm that every number it ever generates is completely random. it would only take a single counterinstance at any time past or future to refute it.

In computer situations, where no physical element is introduced, these are usually called pseudo-RNGs. And even then these are good enough for non-critical situations because they probably deliver random numbers 99.99999% of the time, so effectively they are RNGs.

However, in at least one instance (Boss Media) they actually use a Geiger-Muller Tube (ie. Geiger counter) to measure radioactivity in the air at any given moment - and that would be truly random unless some other device nearby was blowing radioactive particles into the measurement area at a constant rate

In any case, 98% sure as heck is not random.

**aka23** · 23rd August 2007, 09:06 PM

I've also heard about additional measurements of external events, used to make the P-RNG unpredictable to persons that know the formula used. A Playtech rep on this forum described it as, "additional daily/hourly weather forecast values or values from the stock market (exchange rates etc.) to generate their random numbers this to add additional non CPU related varience to further increase the randomness." However, the ratio of 98% to 2% is new.