How Many Online Casinos Cheat?

[ThodorisK]

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[ThodorisK]

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[Casinomeister]

Jeeze within minutes of your suspension being lifted (for being a troll), you post not only one URL to a thread at another site but FOUR to the same thread.

That's totally uncool. You should school yourself on how to behave in a forum community and then come back. Bone up on forum etiquette and quit being such a damn troll - maybe people will start listening to you.

I thought you actually were going to participate here in a normal manner - guess I asked too much

60 day suspension for being mega-annoying. If the members want you to come on back, they can PM me and I'll consider it. But for now - bye.

[SnowKatt]

I'm so glad I don't play cards. I really suck at cards.... On the down side, I'm at the mercy of slot percentages, in which case I rarely know what they even are... lol

[Dominka]

I wanted to have some fun and play online blackjack a little today.

I ended up playing more than I thought I would, although it was fun (here and there, heh ).

Can any mathematicians check out these numbers for me.
It should be simple number crunching. But I'm an architect, and not a statistician.

5200 eur wagered. avg bet 4.15. I wanted to bet consistently and raise whenever I win a couple. But that happened very, very rarely so those hands didn't play much of a role.
1250 hands, 1400 bets. I know all about the strat which minimizes the house edge very closely to even bets, and apart from a misclick or two it was all played perfectly. I was hoping for a possible gain with a little luck.
But the end result is a loss of over 300 eur.
What are the odds for that?


Dominka

[debbiek]

I was playing at lasvegas usa casino tonight. I noticed a dramatic increase in losses as soon as bet size increased to $5/spin. It's just so obvious, that you feel the casino software is cheating. You eventually lose because they don't want to take the chance of paying out any kind of substantial win. i don't even think $5/spin is alot.

Are these casinos that underfunded that they have the software altered as soon as bet size increases? I truly believe they do this as the losing pattern is steady right after you increase bet. I have played at all the mainstreet casinos many times now and have never won anything really big. i also don't feel there is a possibility because of how their software "behaves" when taking a bigger chance. It's really bad business because the bigger wins would be great advertising for them, but they don't see that.

[Simmo!]

Originally Posted by debbiek

I was playing at lasvegas usa casino tonight. I noticed a dramatic increase in losses as soon as bet size increased to $5/spin. It's just so obvious, that you feel the casino software is cheating. You eventually lose because they don't want to take the chance of paying out any kind of substantial win. i don't even think $5/spin is alot.

Are these casinos that underfunded that they have the software altered as soon as bet size increases? I truly believe they do this as the losing pattern is steady right after you increase bet. I have played at all the mainstreet casinos many times now and have never won anything really big. i also don't feel there is a possibility because of how their software "behaves" when taking a bigger chance. It's really bad business because the bigger wins would be great advertising for them, but they don't see that.

Las Vegas USA is RTG right? If I remember right, an operator who wants to change the percentages (apparently there are three options 93%, 95% and 98% I think it was) has to apply to RTG with a good reason for the shift and it can take up to 6 months for RTG to authorise & implement it, while I was also told that the selected % applies across the board to all slots (at least the Real Series ones anyway) in that licenced version of the software.

Second-hand (ex-employee) info from a little while back, but just throwing it into the pot.

[kimss]

Originally Posted by debbiek

i also don't feel there is a possibility because of how their software "behaves" when taking a bigger chance. It's really bad business because the bigger wins would be great advertising for them, but they don't see that.

Im with you bro, but isn't it strange that some of us are so sure of this while some other people for some reason 100% belive we just have bad luck all the time? (Except when in a landbased casino, I just never win in BJ online - And no - I don't do more hands online!)

This argument is getting old. In my opinion people want to be disillusioned! People accually enjoy bending over and taking it, for some strange reason I cannot understand.

The smarterst thing one can do is:
a) stop wagering in a MG casino after a good win, you'll never get ahead again
b) quit online gambling all together.

Sure, this only applies for high rolling. Low rolling seems to be working, if you want to waste a year with hours for ending +-$500 which is funny money in the end! (Look at the lost working hours...) Who accually enjoys spinning $0.20 anyway... Yeyy... I won $40, hurray! This is not where you see the "patterns" emerging in the gameplay (where you end up loooosing).

Have a good one I say,

[classymom]

Originally Posted by kimss

Im with you bro, but isn't it strange that some of us are so sure of this while some other people for some reason 100% belive we just have bad luck all the time? (Except when in a landbased casino, I just never win in BJ online - And no - I don't do more hands online!)

This argument is getting old. In my opinion people want to be disillusioned! People accually enjoy bending over and taking it, for some strange reason I cannot understand.

The smarterst thing one can do is:
a) stop wagering in a MG casino after a good win, you'll never get ahead again
b) quit online gambling all together.

Sure, this only applies for high rolling. Low rolling seems to be working, if you want to waste a year with hours for ending +-$500 which is funny money in the end! (Look at the lost working hours...) Who accually enjoys spinning $0.20 anyway... Yeyy... I won $40, hurray! This is not where you see the "patterns" emerging in the gameplay (where you end up loooosing).

Have a good one I say,

I enjoy spinning .20 and I will yell Yeyy when I win 40.00 I was one of those people when I lived in Las Vegas who was disgusted when someone screamed when they won the jackpot on a nickel machine for 20.00 bucks. But as I have now realized if you gamble for the fun of it - its a good thing if you plan on getting rich - you may be in trouble - just my opinion

[dendrite]

It's clear to me that online casinos still have a long way to go in improving the regulation within the industry.

I'm not too sure that many casinos cheat players, it just feels that way sometimes. However, improvements in regulation are definitely needed - not only for the protection of players, but the industry as a whole needs it. Online casinos should be just as highly regulated as land-based casinos imo.

my ranting bit:

Long term, I think that the online casino industry needs to be moving towards being seen as an entertainment. A way to spend money that gives entertainment, just like theatre or cinema. Getting away from the way that casinos sell gambling as a way to make money would help players and the industry move forward. It may even result in US players being able to play online again.

I do have a question, though:

What regulation would you introduce?

With respect to slots, I feel that it's essential that all games have their payback stats clearly stated on each game, just as the pay tables are found on slots, there should be a button to look at the payback percentage.

All credit to Wagerworks for doing this and making it relatively easy to find the payback for each of their slots.

I wonder if it is possible or useful to go a bit further than just payback and get together a formal definition of slot variance and display this clearly for each slot too? Maybe it would be useful for players to know how much entertainment time (or spins) they should expect to get from any particular slot? Many players don't even know what variance is, but it makes a huge difference to how a slot plays and different people look for different variance in a slot.


off-topic:
Recently, I've been looking at some of the developments coming through and one idea (from Cyberview) is time-based gaming where a player pays for a certain amount of time on the machine and so knows how much entertainment they are going to get for their money. Having spoken to the company, I know that the patents for this type of play have been an important factor in why IGT have made a move to buy Cyberview up. Just as important as their server-based gaming patents. I wonder if we will start to see this sort of thing online soon?