Joyland Casino: Problem withdrawal request

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by casinomeister

I have just forwarded the PABs that have come in since yesterday (after I opened the PAB back up) to Playtech and Joyland.

So far a total of 16 complaints have been filed via the Pitch a Bitch section totalling in the neighboorhood of around $111,000 in claimed winnings.

So what's your opinion of casino shills posing as avid readers of bonuswhores.com 'for sanctioned poker bonuses' and yet giving themselves away by posting such intricate detail of what the casino had or hadn't done, and describing in deep technical detail the inner workings of Playtech casinos, as to leave us in no doubt what they are.

Sorry qazwsx, you've been busted.....

Next time, leave it at 'these people are so evil', and leave off all the identifying in depth technical information.

Better luck next time.

It's all part of the fun at the land of joy! Where happiness never stops!

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

So what's your opinion of casino shills posing as avid readers of bonuswhores.com...

The jury is still out on that one in my opinion. qazwsx did make some odd statements though - I'm still looking into this by the way.

As for a general statment about this situation, I'm waiting for a response from Joyland before I tell everyone how I feel about this.

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by casinomeister

The jury is still out on that one in my opinion. qazwsx did make some odd statements though - I'm still looking into this by the way.

Oh well, I guess nothing can be proven 100%. But comments like this are extremely technical

Promo log entries for Playtech partners are not the responsibility of Playtech.

'Playtech partners'? IMO, only someone who is dealing with Playtech would describe a casino as a partner. And there's the statement itself, distinguishing between 'promo log entries' and other transactions. How would this guy know that if he doesn't work at Joyland or Playtech?

Regardless, for the record, this site can't alter play logs.

That's a very strong statement coming from someone posing as a player.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by qazwsx

If someone sees a slot machine paying every pull, many would sit and play rather than contact the casino. In this case, they all called their buddies over to play. Then when the error was found, instead of moving on and being happy they got their funds back, they had the nerve to bring it to a regulatory forum and waste precious time of the Webmaster.

They are thieves for pursuing their claims and should all be added to the EVIL list. For the record, I am an active member of that community so the previous poster that mentions my motives a disgruntled, I respond that I posted there as recently as 2 hours ago.

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

[jetset]

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

That is an excellent precedent imo Grandmaster, as are the precedents set by CON online when they took a million dollar plus hit on two occasions that I can recall where they screwed up and still honoured their obligations to the player community.

But perhaps we are not dealing with the same level of integrity and professionalism here at Joyland?

Mary also made a very valid point here some posts back - complain to the Antigua authorities as well - Ms. McDonald over there as the new director has said that she intends to run a clean ship - now is a very good opportunity for her to prove that her words were not merely empty promises.

[freakin]

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

I read the story below in Gambling 102 by Michael "The Wizard of Odds" Schackleford and I think it has many similarities with the Joyland case.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi introduced Sic Bo with the wrong payout table, it paid 80:1 instead of 60:1 on 4 and 17, which transformed these bets from sucker bets with house edge 15.3% to ones with a 12.5% player's edge. Stanford Wong found this out, published it on bj21.com, and the professional advantage players descended on the casino. The casino pulled the game after a few days, but it did not try to reclaim the money from the players or call them criminals for spreading this information on the internet instead of telling the casino.

I would also like to know who qazwsx really is. He seems to know too much.

Don't forget the Party at the Klondike. Yet another case of a casino screwup that cost them money which they paid out.

Freakin

[andrew26]

Originally Posted by freakin

Don't forget the Party at the Klondike. Yet another case of a casino screwup that cost them money which they paid out.

Freakin

Very interesting read.

It's amazing how these casino operators, who always have a mathematical advantage, start acting like sleazy morons when the players, through the fault of the operators, temporarily gain the same advantage.

[qazwsx]

Originally Posted by andrew26

Very interesting read.

It's amazing how these casino operators, who always have a mathematical advantage, start acting like sleazy morons when the players, through the fault of the operators, temporarily gain the same advantage.

If you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank, you would have no issues with this casino. Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted. You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino. Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

[TheBloke]

Originally Posted by qazwsx

If you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank, you would have no issues with this casino. Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted. You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino. Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

What's terrible is your analogy.

A better one would be: "Pounced on it like a safe left open at the bank with a sign next to it saying 'This money is for to you' and a bank teller helping you put it in your wallet"

The casino entered the comp rate, the software clearly displayed it, and people used it. End of story.

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by qazwsx

you and your friend's had not pounced on it like an accident that resulted in a safe being left open at a bank.

Now there's a strange accident. Sorry, but even without forums don't you think the favourable comp rate was likely to attract players?

Originally Posted by qazwsx

Act like a criminal and you will be treated as one.

Remind me again, when was clicking on the button to convert comp points at a casino criminalised? The only entity that might have broken the law (if laws applied to on-line casinos...) is the casino.

Originally Posted by qazwsx

Just because they are a casino, and not a bank, does not mean they should be looted.

There's no "looting" going on. Players always try to win at casinos. If you offer them a good bonus they'll take it. If you offer them a good comp rate they'll make use of it. Usually they'll still lose overall, of course, but if you're inept enough to lose a lot of money it's entirely your own fault.

Originally Posted by qazwsx

You guys are pathetic, and the cover up after the fact was done by the portal, not the casino.

You don't seem to have any more idea about forums than you do about casinos - a Joyland employee then?

Originally Posted by qazwsx

Any player who hit the "convert" button every 15 minutes is a terrible thief. Terrible meaning greedy AND stupid.

I love your way with words Bargain hunting may well be greedy - it's hardly stupid. The only thieves we're dealing with here are Joyland. It's not an excuse for theft that you're doing it to cover your own mistakes.