Debates between moderators and forum members

[brucake]

ahhhhhhhhhh, GreaseMOnkey. A popular poster, loved by many members detested by the mods.

Between this thread and the other that has spun off because of inet, Greasemonkey has made obvious and good points. He has been treated again very poorly as he usually seems to be regardless of the circumstances. Their is an obvious dislike of him by the mods. I happen to love his posts. I cringe everytime I see you people being "mean" to GM rather than embracing his thoughts and knowledge. Unless you have had past issues that I am unaware of then you have been grossly rude to gm for no apparent reason.

Why is he constantly told to be quiet or chill out or stop posting about a subject? Trying to silence him is not what many of us happen to desire. I happen to agree with him most often and would like him to post more often even as he is being shouted down by Bryan, nifty and a few others.

Why was he threatened with his membership for asking simple questions to inetbet that they have refused to answer in full?
Why was he warned to quit badgering when he simply asked for a direct and honest answer to finally determine who was and who was not being honest?
Why was this then squashed and lightly explained away?
Methinks THOU doth protesteth too much on inet's behalf. Those were good questions. inet is caught up in falsehoods. Shame on them. Don't protect them, shed the light on them.
What was meant by the bonus issue is moot?!!? It is surely not. They lied about it. Why do we accept their word for anything now? If the person was not using a bonus then she wasn't cheating the casino if her IDs are valid. This was a very poor way of handling that thread. Why in the world would anyone lock it if they are not trying to suppress information?
You warned gaydave for not being on topic then thanked inet for the same in the next thread. It is apparent that you are not being open minded or fair in your reactions.

It is apparent to level headed readers here, that something is wrong with the alicek situation and the handling of the thread. Also, that leads to questioning of the pab findings.

We all talk about multiple accounts when a fraudster is caught out. Or false ID or wrong age. Why is this being buried? Why arent basic questions answered?

this may very well be frustrating for bryan and max. it probably is. it is also very frustrating for readers trying to discern who is correct and who is wrong. it has become more difficult when threads are locked and questioners threatened. It is like an ancient tribunal. You are guilty and you just must believe, evidence be damned. yes, they lied but that is moot. ?

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[Simmo!]

Moved this from derailing another thread and titled it myself FYI.

ahhhhhhhhhh, GreaseMOnkey. A popular poster, loved by many members detested by the mods.

My thoughts: i don't detest him at all. Far from it in fact - colourful characters are what a forum needs. In fact I don't detest any user here. What I do hate is posts that are confrontational or disrepectful. I honestly can't remember if GM has ever fallen into that category but if he has, it's the posts I hate, not the poster.

Sure I might lose some respect for people who rant and rave without consideration for others but I don't hate them for it. I even stop reading those people's posts if the record gets stuck but hey, everyone's different. It's what makes a forum interesting. Until it gets personal. Then the fun's over.

[Casinomeister]

ahhhhhhhhhh, GreaseMOnkey. A popular poster, loved by many members detested by the mods...

Actually, I take offense at this comment - and have given an infraction to Brucake for posting troll comments.

I detest no one in this forum. To make comments like this tempts me to escort you to the door.

Admin note: renamed thread from Greasemonkey to "Debates between moderators and forum members"

[chuchu59]

Actually, I take offense at this comment - and have given an infraction to Brucake for posting troll comments.

I detest no one in this forum. To make comments like this tempts me to escort you to the door.

I hope you wont do that Bryan. I have been here long enough to know the mods wont detest anyone but if there is a general feeling GM is disliked by the mods the best way would be to tolerate these views and let passage of time do the trick. GMmakes a lot of valid points but is sometimes confrontational in approach rendering his posts provocative in a way. However, in a sense, his strong sentiments do mean he cares for the forum hence his outbursts.

[gaydave]

I know I am a jerk when I am a jerk. I have done it and I know it. I just got back from a banning and I knew it was coming when I posted.

This is different though. I rarely catch GM being a jerk and it does appear that there is a different set of rules for his posts. Bryan has been sort of called out about being tough on him in the past. I thought it had been worked out but this whole inetbet issue resurfaced that tension. That whole scenario in the other thread was bizarre IMO. It didn't seem like an appropriate response to GM. I think GM is asking strong, pointed questions that deserved an answer. The response was, in fact, threatening towards him and he was basically told to shut up about it several times. Thats bull IMO. Then the thread was locked lol. Suppressing the whole issue further.

If anyone goes back and reads GMs posts, you will come away with the feeling that there is ill feeling about his posts from some mods. It is inescapable. Maybe CM doesn't dislike GM personally but he DOES get angry extremely often at his posts and lashes out with threats. That is from the political forums to the inetbet issue and going all the way back to the false accusation about GM's activities from Clubworld.
Regardless of what the truth may be, the appearance is a dislike of GM and I think it is unfair. I think he is treated unfairly often.

[Nifty29]

As Bryan said earlier, it is the same people protesting about the same things.

The same people always going into bat for those poor ol' fraudsters that never get a fair deal. (Not saying GM is a fraudster before anyone goes off)

Anyway, the whole suggestion that mods treat some posters differently is a load of horse manure.

[gaydave]

As Bryan said earlier, it is the same people protesting about the same things.

The same people always going into bat for those poor ol' fraudsters that never get a fair deal. (Not saying GM is a fraudster before anyone goes off)

Anyway, the whole suggestion that mods treat some posters differently is a load of horse manure.

I have to kinda' agree with Nifty. It is the same people that question things. It is also the same people that constantly jump to the side of the casino and rail against the players. ALWAYS the same people do the same thing.

I disagree strongly that there is not different treatment. There was just given several examples of it in this thread. Since you labled it horse manure can you give examples of your point of view to match the examples of the other points of view?

[Simmo!]

If there is "different treatment" then it's subconscious. I also think it's kind of inevitable as some people help the forum and it's members while others don't. What I do know is that generally, as mods we try and apply the rules as evenly as possible. We miss some, we get some right, we get some wrong and some users get watched more closely than others when certain topics arise but that's no different to any forum with vocal posters.

Personally, if I was a member of a forum where I contributed and felt I was being singled out for ill treatment by the mods, I'd go somewhere else anyway so I'm sure those who are, do. Or maybe they are secretly masochists at heart

Edited to add: thinking about it more, I do tend to treat posters who are rude and disrepectful differently, so yes, you are right. But that isn't going to change

[Nifty29]

I have to kinda' agree with Nifty. It is the same people that question things. It is also the same people that constantly jump to the side of the casino and rail against the players. ALWAYS the same people do the same thing.

I disagree strongly that there is not different treatment. There was just given several examples of it in this thread. Since you labled it horse manure can you give examples of your point of view to match the examples of the other points of view?

I must have missed something GAydave.

What examples?

The only thing I have seen is someone making baseless allegations against Bryan and Max, who are about as even handed as you can get, and being called out on it.

Who are you referring to about "railing against players"? I don't see it anywhere. I do see the same people putting their reputation into question by staunchly defending proven fraudsters who they don't even know from a bowl of soup (or do they?). All I know is that most of these people have had smoke around them at various stages, and you know what they say about the existence of smoke....

Again, as CM said, some things become more and more obvious about these people as time goes on.

[jetset]

Greasemonkey may on occasion be an acerbic or even abrasive poster, but his arguments are generally well researched and he is always prepared to back them with facts and consider an alternative viewpoint. For that reason I personally consider him to be a worthwhile contributor whose views I respect, if not always agree with.

The notion that the mods here "pick on" GM is to my mind unlikely.

What mods do correctly look for is posting conduct that is unnecessarily discourteous, belligerent, abusive, insulting, trolling, de-railing, fraudulent, drearily repetitive or reminiscent of lynch mob behaviour. Regrettably that occasionally surfaces here, and has to be dealt with for the health of the forum as a whole, and I think our mods generally do that with a light touch.

This is not a court of law, it's a forum where people exchange news and views of mutual interest.