Debates between moderators and forum members

[gaydave]

Guys, with all due respect, every single criticism here is met with dismissal and minimization. I really don't think some of you are taking what is being said at all seriously but it is how many feel. You can't just say "no your wrong" every time someone has an issue with the way things are handled can you? Not and be taken seriously can you?
obviously I like things about the site. I am still here and I still check in. That being said, I agree whole heartedly with bryand. Certainly people are treated differently here. Certainly it has much to do with how agreeable with max and bryan that they are. Some can be rude and crass while defending bryan/max and still be well received here. Others state opposition to something regardless of how calm they state it and are jumped on, silenced, threatened....etc.
Whether you think you are doing it or not isn't important. It is the perception of others and that is that you ARE doing it. Perhaps some could step back and take a harder look. It has been said enough that it must have some merit, right? Obviously many think it is fact, right? Perhaps just saying it isn't happening isn't the way to go. Maybe some looking at it from other's perspective is what is needed.

[Simmo!]

Whether you think you are doing it or not isn't important. It is the perception of others

A reasonable point in overall a reasonable post. I think though some people are going to get treated differently whether we want to, realise it or not, simply because you build up opinions of people and react accordingly. We all do it, mods included, because we are human and that's our nature.

I'd reiterate that for me personally, most of the issues faced are with how people post rather than what they post. As pointed out elsewhere, a good post often won't get fully appreciated if it's posted in a way that riles other people.

I just wish more posters would read back their own posts as if they were the recipient of the comments and see how they would react to it. They'd perhaps realise how it is going to rile/upset/antagonise and annoy people, not to mention damaging their own rep with those that just don't care about petty squables and bruised egos.

[Nifty29]

A reasonable point in overall a reasonable post. I think though some people are going to get treated differently whether we want to, realise it or not, simply because you build up opinions of people and react accordingly. We all do it, mods included, because we are human and that's our nature.

I'd reiterate that for me personally, most of the issues faced are with how people post rather than what they post. As pointed out elsewhere, a good post often won't get fully appreciated if it's posted in a way that riles other people.

I just wish more posters would read back their own posts as if they were the recipient of the comments and see how they would react to it. They'd perhaps realise how it is going to rile/upset/antagonise and annoy people, not to mention damaging their own rep with those that just don't care about petty squables and bruised egos.

I disagree.

It's not reasonable at all....its just another "I'm a hapless victim" whinge with some snide comments thrown in.

I don't hear any of these 'victims' offering to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

If Gaydave feels he is being treated with less respect than others, perhaps he should go back over his posting history, where his lack of respect for the forum and its staff are very obvious. No, its not a personal attack or libel etc.....because its on the record and it is true.

[Simmo!]

I disagree.

It's not reasonable at all....its just another "I'm a hapless victim" whinge with some snide comments thrown in.

I don't hear any of these 'victims' offering to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

If GAYdave feels he is being treated with less respect than others, perhaps he should go back over his posting history, where his lack of respect for the forum and its staff are very obvious. No, its not a personal attack or libel etc.....because its on the record and it is true.

I was responding to the sentiment behind the post, not the content. Of course I disagree with things like "every single criticism here is met with dismissal and minimization" and of course lines like "Not and be taken seriously can you" could be seen as "snide". But I have my opinions on stuff like that and I choose to keep it to myself. Plus those weren't the points I wanted to make something of.

Can you also be careful with referencing people's usernames Nifty - I'd hate for there to be an unfortunate misunderstanding.

[gaydave]

I disagree.

It's not reasonable at all....its just another "I'm a hapless victim" whinge with some snide comments thrown in.

I don't hear any of these 'victims' offering to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

If GAYdave feels he is being treated with less respect than others, perhaps he should go back over his posting history, where his lack of respect for the forum and its staff are very obvious. No, its not a personal attack or libel etc.....because its on the record and it is true.

I believe that this post helps to illustrate a few of my points as well as some of the others. Thank you for that.

[jetset]

Like most things, surely it comes down to a matter of opinion?

Although GayDave and one or two others may feel aggrieved, and that it is wrong for other members to refute their claims of mod partisanship, it is imo absolutely in order for those other members to voice a different opinion that may be just as strongly held e.g. that the mods do not "pick on" some individuals.

All we can do as members is form and post a personal point of view, preferably in a polite and reasonable manner...we don't have to agree with other views critical of our hosts here. And we are imo right to say so.

Both sides are entitled to their opinions, which appear unlikely to change any time soon, and for that matter continued membership.

[Casinomeister]

Guys, with all due respect, every single criticism here is met with dismissal and minimization. I really don't think some of you are taking what is being said at all seriously but it is how many feel. You can't just say "no your wrong" every time someone has an issue with the way things are handled can you? Not and be taken seriously can you?

Actually, I welcome criticism; I don't dismiss criticism at all. Bear in mind there is a difference in how criticism is presented. A crass "you are all crooks and help people steal money" is not criticism. Questioning the validity of a rogue listing or accredited casino is. Much of the criticism over the years has been integrated into the site and has actually improved Casinomeister.

Certainly people are treated differently here. Certainly it has much to do with how agreeable with max and bryan that they are. Some can be rude and crass while defending bryan/max and still be well received here. Others state opposition to something regardless of how calm they state it and are jumped on, silenced, threatened....etc.

There are three moderators (Max, Simmo!, Webzcas) and one administrator (moi). This is not the bryan/max show; it's a forum with a load of members and four people who try to maintain the peace. You can agree with everything I say, make my coffee, and wash my car, but if you become troublesome and start wrecking the peace, then all that energy has gone to waste.

Whether you think you are doing it or not isn't important. It is the perception of others and that is that you ARE doing it. Perhaps some could step back and take a harder look. It has been said enough that it must have some merit, right? Obviously many think it is fact, right? Perhaps just saying it isn't happening isn't the way to go. Maybe some looking at it from other's perspective is what is needed.

Noted.

If GAYdave feels he is being treated with less respect than others...

That was really uncool. Please don't do that again.

[Casinomeister]

I have seen this said on a few occasions and it makes me curious. Why would you assume that someone would contact you via email after you have kicked them out of the forum and told them you don't believe them?
I personally would not bother contacting or ever coming here again if I was innocent and those things happened to me. I would guess most people are the same. Unless there was correspondence that we were unaware of or something of that nature.

I need to clear up a misconception here. When you submit a complaint via the PAB process, communication between Max and the person is strictly by email; the forum has nothing to do with it. When we deal with fraudulent complaints, we normally get zilch responses from the player when she or he is informed: "the casino has reason to believe fraud has been committed".

Wouldn't you fire back a response like "they are mistaken!" "they lie!" "I did no such thing!"? I know I would. 95% of the time we get nada - as in the case of AliceK. We never heard a word back from her, and we closed her account. Closing one's account does not forbid one from emailing us. They are always free to debate their issue via email.

[LHofsdal]

Or put another way: behave respectfully, get treated respectfully.

IMO too many forum posters (on every forum, not just here) think that, because they are 'anonymous' or 'out of reach', they can treat other people and their opinions like shit with no repercussions. That's the real problem.

You can pretty much say what you want (within the forum rules!) as long as you say it politely, with a little humility or while showing respect for the opinions of those you are responding to. The minute you get aggressive, arsey, pissy, arrogant or obnoxious then BryanD is absolutely 100% correct.

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Bottom line is I go to a forum to learn, share, have interesting conversations and generally enjoy myself. I don't want to read a bunch of whiney, pissy, aggressive posts from people with agendas, points to prove, chips (sic) on their shoulder or grudges.

I think Simmo hit the nail on the head here. That old saying "Treat people the way you would like to be treated" is so NOT used enough. Before I retired, I worked for a major retail chain for 21 years, and let me tell you, if I was nice to a customer and they came at me with an attitude, I gave it back. I did this for a few years, then thought to myself, there has to be a better way to let these idiots know they are idiots without being a "biatch". I came up with 51 ways to politely tell people they were idiots without ever saying the words "Your a damn idiot". Trust me they knew exaactly what I was saying too.

Even though we are reading what people are typing, the disrespect sometimes makes my mouth fall wide open. It is true that these forums can be a fantastic source of information, and a way to vent some frustration. It is also true we all have a right to have our own opinion. Why must it come down to a slug fest to be able to voice it? It is another thing to voice your opinion and why you feel that way and have someone right there to give you "smack" about your opinion.

Let me give you my opinion, if you like that is great, you don't move on,it is my opinion. But here is my opinion anyway...

This thread was started by Brucake, voicing here opinion on GreaseMonkeys treatment by the mods. He stated his opinion and then the mods stated theirs, nothing to harsh going yet. Then KABOOM some members came in with a not so polite jabs against casinos that really had nothing to do with the reason why this thread was started.

Members talking about threads being locked because the site is "biased" or trying to cover up crap. What the hell does that have to do with the way Greasemonkey was treated. Please someone fill me in on this one, because this highly educated women still can't figure it out.

When Simmo stated treat people respectfully, and that is the way you will be treated, he was 100% correct. Take any thread, I don't care what one it is, but look through it, and noticed if the post was polite, and not in a mean tone, the mods and administrator replied in the same manor. Hell, even when the thread turns ugly with member bashing member, they mods and administrator would chime in with something polite like "Hey lets keep this on topic and be cool about it" of something of that nature. (Good thing they have patience, because if it were me and I had to repeat myself, it would not be pretty.)

Greasemonkey is a big boy and I am sure he can look out for himself, but there is nothing wrong with asking why he was mistreated if you felt strongly about it. He still posts, and asks questions and I still continue to enjoy reading his posts, but the attacks on the mods, admistrator and other members is getting very tiresome. Unless someone comes on here and says something like "ALL YOU MEMBERS HERE ARE SUCH F'N IDIOTS TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN ON THIS SITE", then I can see people coming back at them like a raging bull, but when someone stats there opinion let it be, if you reply do it with repect and be polite about it. There is no sarcasism needed.

Get the drift of what I am saying here?

LH

[Simmo!]

Get the drift of what I am saying here?

Yup, it's...

Treat other people how you want to be treated yourself

Bang on