beware PKR.com

[Rusty]

Fatshaft:
Erm, no. Why would I? What difference does the regulator make? maybe it has a bearing for you, it does not come into even 0.001% of my decision whether to play on a site


That statement pretty much says it all.

Genuine players want a safe environment in which to play, if there is a dispute it is important that there is an independent authority with genuine powers that can act as arbitrator/regulator.

Maybe you are happy with Kanhawake's response to the ultimate poker scam, maybe you are happy if a site you play at is regulated by a defunct fax machine rusting in a corner in a Panama flat but most of us want to know the games we play are fair because they are well regulated and if we have an issue it will be addressed.

It is also very noticeable that you keep using the word "conspiracy" in an effort to devalue other peoples comments so it is in fact you who sees conspiracy in everything, perhaps you should put that tin hat of yours that you keep talking about back on.

[Snake Eyes]

I thought you shills were through with this thread?

It looks a like a couple shills trying to 'push down' the negative comments by adding a lot of non-related crap to the thread.

If you've found it difficult to understand so far, allow me to explain; I don't, and have never, worked for PKR, nor do I (to my knowledge) know, or had contact with anyone who does.

So give it a rest, eh? I could quite easily drone on about how must work for one of their rivals, seeing as you seem so determined to do them down - but I wouldn't bother, as it really would be a bit pathetic. I did intend to leave this thread alone, but seeing as you keep coming out with this 'shill' nonsense, I'd have done myself a disservice by doing so.

[fatshaft]

Fatshaft:
Erm, no. Why would I? What difference does the regulator make? maybe it has a bearing for you, it does not come into even 0.001% of my decision whether to play on a site


That statement pretty much says it all.

Genuine players want a safe environment in which to play, if there is a dispute it is important that there is an independent authority with genuine powers that can act as arbitrator/regulator.

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Genuine players? So now you're deciding what is and isn't the criteria for a genuine player? I would say that anyone who puts their money into an online site is a genuine player wouldn't you?

Look at the Isle of Man casinos, every single one of them closed down (or moved to other jurisdictions). Why was that again? Oh yes, becasue they were too strictly regulated, so players had too many hurdles to jump through in order to play, so they simply went elsewhere to find more easily accessible sites. THAT'S how much 'genuine' players care about a regulator's credentials.


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[efcgenius]

I would say that anyone who puts their money into an online site is a genuine player wouldn't you?

Unless there name happens to be POTRIPPER

And who knows how many other POTRIPPERS are out there, what you have to realise is that "TRUST" is key to someone like me playing for real money, a typical player will read that mis-statement from PKR website and immediately trust them. Which is wrong, and exactly why PKR have made it that way, this is to mislead UK people into thinking that PKR games are fair and that the UKGC will make sure that it is kept that way

End of discussion, PKR are very very sly indeed

[fatshaft]

Unless there name happens to be POTRIPPER

And who knows how many other POTRIPPERS are out there, what you have to realise is that "TRUST" is key to someone like me playing for real money, a typical player will read that mis-statement from PKR website and immediately trust them. Which is wrong, and exactly why PKR have made it that way,....

Yet more disinformation. Potripper didn't put any money into a poker site, he owned the poker site.

I understand Lotso having a go here, as he has a history of getting involved in controversial anti-site posting, but why have you signed up just to have a go? And how did you know about this thread? It's clear that this is the only reason you're here, so you'll excuse me if I think you are either a spoof account, or have an agenda.

As 'trust' is such a big deal for you, can you let us know which sites you do play at for comparison?

.... and exactly why PKR have made it that way, this is to mislead UK people into thinking that PKR games are fair and that the UKGC will make sure that it is kept that way

It may be to give the impression that they are regulated by the UKGC rather than the AGCC, but that doesn't mean that the games are not fair. I would like you to provide proof of that accusation, as Rusty is unable to with his similar claims.

End of discussion, PKR are very very sly indeed

Not the end of discussion, we've yet to hear any proof of these fixed games allegations, nor anything other than supposition that PKR poker is somehow disreputable.

The casino has pulled a stunt for sure, but I'm not sure how that extrapolates into an unfair RNG for poker.

[Rusty]

Genuine players? So now you're deciding what is and isn't the criteria for a genuine player? I would say that anyone who puts their money into an online site is a genuine player wouldn't you?

Look at the Isle of Man casinos, every single one of them closed down (or moved to other jurisdictions). Why was that again? Oh yes, becasue they were too strictly regulated, so players had too many hurdles to jump through in order to play, so they simply went elsewhere to find more easily accessible sites. THAT'S how much 'genuine' players care about a regulator's credentials.


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What?
Why are you confused?
You do not accept that there are bots and collaboration and money laundering etc? Knowing you probably not.

You seem to make Two conflicting arguments here;

You say that the Isle of man Casinos moved because they were too strictly (I could just as easily substitute the word well here) regulated and then go on to give an alternative explanation and say it was the players that were the cause as they left to find more accessible sites.

Your first explanation is the more credible but just proves my point that Casinos want to appear to be properly regulated but in reality want as little regulation as possible.
Your other explanation sounds extremely unlikely.
Can you give an example of why these players left in their droves?
What do you mean by more accessible?
*Note here how I do not try to ridicule your argument but ask pertinent questions.

As an update on the licensing issue I received a further reply from the UKGC Licensing administrator in which he states.

"I can confirm that I have escalated your concerns to the commission’s compliance department for them to investigate and to see if further action is required."

He also confirmed there were no rules in place as of this time preventing a site from displaying an irrelevant license.

"Although there is no requirement for them to display their licensed status with the commission there is also nothing to state that they can not display it"

Since there is no requirement for them to display this license then I find it very hard to see how someone can still argue it is not there solely for the purpose to mislead.
Edit:
I see you now accept that this is at least a "stunt" FatShaft, it took 6 pages but the main thing is you understand when you are wrong.
Your argument that this does not prove the software is rogue is a valid one and I can not prove it is rigged just as you can not prove it is not the only way to truely settle that argument were if the site were regulated by the UKGC

[D!G!TAL]

Unfortuantely such tactics have been a favourite marketing ploy for many numbers of businesses.

By using the link they were not lying as they do in fact have a license of sorts, but they have allowed the player to form their own judgements by using that information on their site.

As I say, a tactic used by many marketing campaigns (food labelling can be very misleading) but it is not criminal and should not reflect on their integrity with regards to their software.

Just thought I would chip in at the end now that the fireworks seem to have finished

[lots0]

Yet more disinformation. Potripper didn't put any money into a poker site, he owned the poker site...

More misinformation ... POTRIPPER has never been positively identified, other than as an "a high-ranking trusted consultant employed by AP" by Joe Norton the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises.
Fatshaft...wrong again...

Since your questioning motives Fatshaft... Why are you so convinced these guys at PKR are not cheating?

We all know that without a massive amount of raw data provided directly from the poker room in question it is near impossible to determine if a poker room is cheating.

So again, I ask just why are you so sure this poker room is not cheating?

Where is your hard evidence (or even soft evidence) that no cheating is taking place at PKR.com?

Where is your data? I'd love to see it and so would everyone else...
You seem so positive that nothing is out of order at PKR.com where is your proof to support this belief of yours?

I have a LOT of reason to believe PKR.com is crooked, most of them outlined in this thread and the other PKR.com thread here at CM...

So Fatshaft, where are all of your reasons for supporting PKR.com, after they seize players funds, close players accounts for nothing more than wining, don't follow their own written Policy and engage very shady marketing practices?

Come on Fatshaft, I would LOVE to hear your reasons for supporting the crooks at PKR.com...

[HUNTS!!!!!]

very interesting thread i must say!!!!
i was the same as u rusty be a regular winner on various poker sites then wham badbeats galore rediculous outdraws no matter what stakes i play....so i gave up!!!
personally dont think any poker site is 100% FAIR

out of interest has anyone thought of e-mailing or ringing PKR about this misleading link?
be interesting to see what they would have to say about it!!

[fatshaft]

More misinformation ... POTRIPPER has never been positively identified, other than as an "a high-ranking trusted consultant employed by AP" by Joe Norton the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises.
Fatshaft...wrong again...

Wrong again then Lots0. Potripper was traced back to the owners of AP, Scott Thom's house was where play was coming from, I guess you're not as up to date or as informed as you would like everyone to believe eh?

Since your questioning motives Fatshaft... Why are you so convinced these guys at PKR are not cheating?

Because there hasn't been a single reason to believe that they are.

What makes you think they are cheating? Why are they cheating? And how are they doing it? It is absolutely astonishing that for no reason whatsoever (other than showing a perfectly valid license for the UKGC) you seem to have them down as AP/UB clones.

We all know that without a massive amount of raw data provided directly from the poker room in question it is near impossible to determine if a poker room is cheating.

That would be no proof then? So I repeat my question above, why are you suspicious?

So again, I ask just why are you so sure this poker room is not cheating?

...erm, the more you ask the question the more you hope people will believe it, is that the plan?

Where is your hard evidence (or even soft evidence) that no cheating is taking place at PKR.com?

Innocent until proven guilty I believe is the law and equitable morals of our society. We have bad loser Rusty claiming it is fixed, hardly evidence is it?

Where is your data? I'd love to see it and so would everyone else...
You seem so positive that nothing is out of order at PKR.com where is your proof to support this belief of yours?

The onus of proof is on accuser.

I have a LOT of reason to believe PKR.com is crooked, most of them outlined in this thread and the other PKR.com thread here at CM...

So, a (valid) license for the UKGC, and a CASINO bonus problem that is now being resolved. Well I gues that's pretty conclusive eh?

Come on Fatshaft, I would LOVE to hear your reasons for supporting the crooks at PKR.com...

Strong words, I believe there have been cases taken to the courts based on written statements on internet forums. I would be looking for something more solid than you've posted here when you defend your defamation claim.