beware PKR.com

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Have a safe journey back to Toy town

I'll take your insulting respone to mean you have absolutely no evidence to support your outrageous claims.

Now that we've established that fact, can we get back to dealing with rogue poker rooms, as opposed to ones where a player is simply a bad loser/bad player and can't handle the fact?

Like your posts in the casino bonus thread for PKR, all you do is distract attention from those who need it, like AP and UB. Out the rogues, stop wasting time with bad beat stories.

[Snake Eyes]

Originally Posted by lots0

Of course you don't have a response or argument, simply because I am right.

Yep, keep telling yourself that. Seeing as you seem to rate the UKGC so highly, you should be pretty pleased that their software was created under such a jurisdiction.

Either way, i'm not wasting anymore of my time posting on this thread when neither you or Rusty have anything more than bizarre '2+2=500' claims to prove that PKR is rigged, and are doing nothing more than trying to deflect attention away from that fact. Quite why you expect the likes of fatshaft and I to try and prove that PKR isn't fixed, when its the two of you making these outlandish claims that it is, really is beyond me.

[lots0]

So misleading players is OK with you?

You don't think that PKR.com should be considered a Rogue for trying to get players to believe their poker room is licensed by the UKGC? When it is in fact NOT licensed by the UKGC...

So it is OK, that PKR.com is deceitful about being licensed, we should believe the games they run are honest...

You want us to just turn a blind eye to PKR.com because there is no hard evidence. (Again, there will never be any 'hard' evidence unless PKR.com releases it themselves - That is a fact Absolute Poker taught us)


If PKR.com is not a Rogue they are sure acting like one... And as far as I am concerned they are headed for my sites Casino Rogue Hall of shame for attempting to mislead players (I won't even get into the non-payment issues that PKR.com seems to be having at the moment...)

Originally Posted by fatshaft

I'll take your insulting respone to mean you have absolutely no evidence to support your outrageous claims.

Now that we've established that fact, can we get back to dealing with rogue poker rooms, as opposed to ones where a player is simply a bad loser/bad player and can't handle the fact?

Like your posts in the casino bonus thread for PKR, all you do is distract attention from those who need it, like AP and UB. Out the rogues, stop wasting time with bad beat stories.

Yo Snake eyes.
I never claimed PKR.com was cheating... I said they mislead players and the proof is on the main page of PKR's website...I also said that any poker room that misleads players is more likely to cheat players... and that is a fact.

No one asked you to defend PKR (or did they?).

Like Rusty said... You want to play there, by all means go ahead.

But other players should know that PKR is very very lose with the truth and that their poker room is NOT licensed by UKGC.

Seeing as you seem to rate the UKGC so highly, you should be pretty pleased that their software was created under such a jurisdiction.

I never said I "rated" the UKGC highly, lowly or any other way.

What I said was that PKR is misleading people into believing their poker room is licensed by the UKGC when in fact it is NOT.

If you don't believe misleading players is not the action of a Rogue Poker Room... What will it take to convince you... A notarized confession from the owner??

[Rusty]

"Entitled to shoot me down" What an arrogant and misguided comment.

All you and Fatshaft have continued to do is repeat the same misinformation, make personal attacks and demand proof that it is rigged.
If it is not rigged where is your proof?
Are we to assume that all sites are not rigged in any way and anybody who suspects otherwise is laughable?
That is the extent of your argument after all
Forgive me if I do not feel shot down as far as I am concerned you are firing blanks.

I'll take your insulting respone to mean you have absolutely no evidence to support your outrageous claims.

Now that we've established that fact, can we get back to dealing with rogue poker rooms, as opposed to ones where a player is simply a bad loser/bad player and can't handle the fact?

I thought it was quite witty, something that is lacking in any of your posts.
If anybody is guilty of being insulting here it is you with your disrespectful remarks that you somehow confuse as fact.
But then you come across as a very conceited individual so I should not be surprised you have such a inflated opinion of yourself.

[maxd]

Just a word of warning guys: if this thread turns into an exchange of insults we'll shut it down. As I see it you both have good points to make but you're letting your tempers get in the way.

Step back for a few minutes, take a few deep breaths, think of the gaming issues here and I'm sure we'll be fine.

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by Rusty

"Entitled to shoot me down" What an arrogant and misguided comment.

All you and Fatshaft have continued to do is repeat the same misinformation, make personal attacks and demand proof that it is rigged.

What misinformation? That PKR ARE licensed by the UKGC? That is a fact whether you like it or admit it or not. They don't claim to be regulated by them, only that they have a license, a claim that is 100% true.

Originally Posted by Rusty

If it is not rigged where is your proof?

The burden of proof is on you, you are the one claiming that their RNG is somehow defective. Innocent until proven guilty is the standard in this country, and most civilised societies, so let's have your proof.

Originally Posted by Rusty

Are we to assume that all sites are not rigged in any way and anybody who suspects otherwise is laughable?

We should assume so yes, but be wary that this may not be the case. Other than Planet Poker, there has not been a single case ever of a defective RNG, and in their case it was not a malicious defect, but unintentionally weak programming. There was no attempt to favour one player over another, they simply didn't build a good enough product.

Like UB/AP has shown, bring the EVIDENCE and people will listen, however there have been thousands of losing players try to claim that a site is fixed to cover up their bad results, as yet not a single one has ever provided evidence to back up those claims.

Originally Posted by Rusty

That is the extent of your argument after all

Nope, my (and Snake's) argument is you have no evidence to support your outlandish claims.

Originally Posted by Rusty

Forgive me if I do not feel shot down as far as I am concerned you are firing blanks.

Give us something tangible rather than hearsay then?

Originally Posted by Rusty

I'll take your insulting respone to mean you have absolutely no evidence to support your outrageous claims.

Now that we've established that fact, can we get back to dealing with rogue poker rooms, as opposed to ones where a player is simply a bad loser/bad player and can't handle the fact?

I thought it was quite witty, something that is lacking in any of your posts.

Really? I think accusing a business worth north of £50m of dishonesty was a pretty serious business, sorry if I misunderstood and should be making light of the matter, I imagine those at PKR do not share your hilarity.

Originally Posted by Rusty

If anybody is guilty of being insulting here it is you with your disrespectful remarks that you somehow confuse as fact.

Such as? Accusing your claims of being tin foil hat-ish are not disrespectful imo, you're just spouting the same conspiracy theory nonsense that we've all heard a million times before, give us evidence like those who first outed the UB/AP cheaters and I'm all ears, but so far you've said nothing but attack myself and Snake Eyes for being somehow conected to PKR. It appears you see a conspiracy round every corner.

Originally Posted by Rusty

But then you come across as a very conceited individual so I should not be surprised you have such a inflated opinion of yourself.

I'm not sure where in any of my posts I've posted any comment on myself, so why you would feel this way is baffling.




Now that all that has been said, can we get back to some evidence of a fixed RNG at PKR please?

Can we have:

* The relevant stats to back up your claim
* What they have fixed?
* Why they have fixed it?
* Why you would be on the wrong side of this fix?

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

Playing the $12.5k Guarantee last night, we're down to 17, and it's the first hand after the third break, I'm SB and about 14th in chips, BB is last at the moment and is effectively all-in on his blind. Table chip leader mini-raises which virtually puts me all-in and covers the BB.

I wake up with QQ, so I push, BB and CL quickly call, CL has AA, and the BB has KK

BB hits a King and I go out 17th.

Must be fixed

Playing the same tourney again last night, about 45 minutes in and I'm down to 1700ish chips, blinds are 50/100 and I pick up AA utg. I limp hoping for a back raise but get one caller, plus the SB completes.

Flop is raggy but two hearts (I don't have the Ace-heart), I bet out 300ish and limp-caller calls, SB pushes and I rr all-in, and other player also calls. They turn over Q4 and 57 of hearts, turn is a heart.

It's all fixed.

[lots0]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

What misinformation? That PKR ARE licensed by the UKGC? That is a fact whether you like it or admit it or not. They don't claim to be regulated by them, only that they have a license, a claim that is 100% true.

No that claim is NOT true. PKR.com is not licensed to operate by the UKGC.
If they are licensed, where is the license? Just show me a URL where PKR.com is a licensed Poker Room by the UKGC... It sure is not the link PKR.com puts up on its main page. That is a license to develop software, not a license to operate in the UK... Those are two very different things.

Real simple to prove me wrong and you right, just show us all the license from the UKGC for PKR.com to operate their poker room in the UK.

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by lots0

No that claim is NOT true. PKR.com is not licensed to operate by the UKGC.
If they are licensed, where is the license? Just show me a URL where PKR.com is a licensed Poker Room by the UKGC... It sure is not the link PKR.com puts up on its main page. That is a license to develop software, not a license to operate in the UK... Those are two very different things.

Real simple to prove me wrong and you right, just show us all the license from the UKGC for PKR.com to operate their poker room in the UK

You are 100% correct, which is exactly what I've been saying, nowhere have I said they are regulated by the UKGC, it just seems that you and Rosty read something that isn't there because you are so obsessed with trying to blacken the name of PKR and anyone who doesn;t agree with your viewpoint.

They ARE licensed by the UKGC, they are NOT regulated by them. They don't claim anywhere to be licensed to operate by the UKGC. There is nothing false about their claim whatsoever, they even state when you click through the link at the very top of the page....

PKR Technologies Limited is the software developer that powers PKR and is the only online poker software developer anywhere to be licensed by the UK Government. To view our UK Remote Operating License, please click here.

PKR is licensed and regulated by The Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC).

Glad you get it now though.

[lots0]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

Glad you get it now though.

Oh ya, I get it now...

When a site says "Licensed by the UKGC" on their main page, it means to just about everybody that sees it, that the site is claiming to be licensed to operate by the UKGC.

Why not just put Licensed by the AGCC on their main page instead of implying they are licensed by the UKGC...

Maybe because the UKGC is trusted by most players...

Placing that link on their page the way PKR.com did, is an obvious attempt to deceive players.