people dont play here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Still at it are theyOriginally Posted by kszysio
CM members already know to give this lot a wide berth, however they DO have a rep here, who has tried (with limited success) to convince us they are NOT rogue.
I had a tangle with them when I was a "newbie", but they only had a small fraction of my money held "hostage", around $25. I had already got the bulk of my WINNINGS out
It was a BAD MOVE on their part, as I was quite prepared to carry on depositing and playing, until they started the "funny stuff" over the remaining $25.
They locked my account with the $25 inside it, after first having denied the withdrawal, and then refused to answer ANY of my emails for the next year.
Over a year later, I told this tale to another "screwee" of Winward who had posted a complaint, and someone offered to see if they could get an answer from them about it. All of a sudden, they wanted to give me my $25 back, and I got it, but I got the distinct impression it was about "getting rid of me and the issue", rather than having me back playing there.
This is the first Winward gripe in a while though, and I thought maybe they had changed.
Without knowing HOW they are "thieves" in your case, it is hard to say whether they are just as bad as before, or whether this is an isolated issue.
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Winward probably have one of the most roguish T&Cs what I have seen.
Winward will never change, they will always be roguish.
Worst case is if you win and they dont want to pay. They have so many "confiscating terms" that they will always find one to use if they want to.
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The purpose of your post seems to be merely to diss the place, something about "thief" in the original title gave that impression. But without content to back it up it doesn't seem right to just leave it at that.
Thread title changed to better reflect the OP's purpose.
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petro (25th January 2011)
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sorry i not good speak english
i made a deposit 25$
they blocked my account
and dont give my ansver for my qusetion
next time they spoke of it because my country is restricted, although this is not true
when asked, none of the staff was not able to point me to a point in the Rules
SORRY for my english
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What country are you in?
If they didn't want you because of your country, how come you made it past registration and managed to deposit $25.
Are the staff just making this up (something I can CHECK once I know where you are)
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Surely they have country IP tags security software in place??What country are you in?
If they didn't want you because of your country, how come you made it past registration and managed to deposit $25.
Are the staff just making this up (something I can CHECK once I know where you are
Dip me in chocolate, and throw me to the lesbians.
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There are NO TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO BE SEEN
Nothing, looked up and down, checked the links, NOTHING - they just can't be reached...
...unless you know what you are doing
You have to change your view to "site map", or use a Google "in site" search, and there they are, and they are talking out of their a**e.
In the (well buried) general terms, there are NO "restricted countries".
In the even better buried "bonus terms", there are STILL no countries that are COMPLETELY restricted.
Here is the term regarding PARTIAL restrictions placed on some countries:-
-Due to repeated fraud attempts from players pertaining to some countries, we place restrictions on their bonus privileges. Free money bonuses are completely void, and deposit bonuses are partially restricted to a maximum amount of 50%. Members from the following countries will be subject to these restrictions: Aland Is, Australia, Austria, China, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Estonia, Faroe Is, Greenland, Holland, Iceland, Indonesia, Japan, Latvia, Mexico, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Romania, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, Ukraine. Our security policies regarding these restrictions are strict, although exceptions will be conceded on a case by case basis.
This is not a BAN, and there are NO GROUNDS WHATSOEVER for immediately locking your account after the $25 deposit because you are in a "restricted country". Restricted countries cannot have the initial free chip, nor any bonus greater than 50% of their deposit.
The rest of the terms are pretty damning too. If they think you are even using a printed strategy chart, let alone a "bot", they can arbitrarily confiscate your winnings.
If a strategy works, it becomes "abusive" by definition in another term. This means they can simply confiscste your winnings just because you won with a bonus. They can declare your betting as a "strategy", and thus void your games. If you LOSE though, then it is NOT "abusive", because it "doesn't work".
They STILL seem to be accepting EWX
It's TopGame - what did you expect
This is one of the few SOFTWARES where the casinos have been collectively lumped together, and placed in the rogue pit.
The TopGame casinos are "white label" operations, with the owners having varying degrees of involvement. Some leave EVERYTHING to TopGame, whilst others provide some services "in-house".
Winward used to use it's own software (Parlay), so probably have many functions still "in-house", rather than done by TopGame.
Good job you found out NOW, rather than when you had a big WIN that they confiscated for vague reasons.
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i from Poland
somebody see my country in this list??
"-Due to repeated fraud attempts from players pertaining to some countries, we place restrictions on their bonus privileges. Free money bonuses are completely void, and deposit bonuses are partially restricted to a maximum amount of 50%. Members from the following countries will be subject to these restrictions: Aland Is, Australia, Austria, China, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Estonia, Faroe Is, Greenland, Holland, Iceland, Indonesia, Japan, Latvia, Mexico, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Romania, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Thailand, Ukraine. Our security policies regarding these restrictions are strict, although exceptions will be conceded on a case by case basis."
its my chating with this casin0
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Welcome to Live Support my name is Candy how may I be of assistance?
kszysio: hi
kszysio my accound has been blocked
Candy: Hello!
kszysio: tell my why?
Candy: Allow me a few moments to check please
kszysio/?????????????????????????????????????????
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Definite rogue behaviour, couldn't be any clearer really.
First, I don't see Poland on the list, so you are NOT from a restricted country. I notice you have "reading" as your location for the forum. Is this Reading UK (just up the road from me). If so, neither are you PLAYING from a restricted country.
In any case, even if you WERE playing from a restricted county, this ONLY restricts your BONUSES on offer to 50% deposit bonuses, and there is NO reason to confiscate your DEPOSIT, which is clearly what they have decided to do, and would probably get away with if you hadn't come here.
If they claim you ARE from a restricted country, then they are rogue for having BOGUS TERMS posted on the website, and only springing the REAL terms after players have deposited. Even these "bogus" terms are damned hard to find, they CANNOT be reached directly from the home page, despite there being THREE areas populated by links into other sections of the site.
It took me a YEAR to get MY $25 off them, but get it back I DID
If they don't want to accept your custom, they should return your deposit, as well as block your account. There is NO WAY you could have figured this out from the terms and conditions.
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