Eurolinx, BetOnBet, and Linx Casino gone into liquidation!!!

[spiderlegz]

If you're getting your info from the main poker forums you have to realise there is literally SO much dribble about rolls there it's hard to believe a fraction of what they claim is true. I stopped posting on 2+2 and some of the other larger forums because I got tired of seeing players claim things I could easily disprove - and I didn't want to just be a "Truth Policeman" with all those retarded egos who would either sit out when I sat or who didn't even play the stakes they claimed.

But I will concur with you to Bryan that Eurolinx's reputation (right up until a month or so before disaster) was still viewed by most poker players in a positive light - I'm not sure when exactly it clicked for me that it was "game over" but I'd be lying if I claimed it was 2-3 months before the fact...even though problems starting showing up > 4 months (?) before they capitulated.

The poker community has a lot to answer for in this regard. I seriously don't know what's with players who don't make things like this public, but I had close friends in the final fortnight when it was 100% Titanic panic-Skype me saying they had 5 figure amounts pending for months?!!? And that Eurolinx wasn't reversing their w/d requests so they couldn't dump. After I ridiculed them, I helped a couple with some cheeky tricks which worked (if small remaining balance, dump it on high HA casino sidegames, then ask w/d reversed etc ). If I had a pending withdrawal > (such a short time for poker - a week max or less for processors), I would have pretty much covered forums with that news. I never understand why people stay quiet about these things.

(As for dumping, yes ofc 50+ buyins is trickier - still easy if you know what you're doing. And if you're a tourney player with a huge roll on there, unless they hit big scores towards the end, all I'd say is...Why? You don't need 50k to play tournaments on *any* site, regardless of volume.)

That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.

[JHV]

That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.

I dunno who that is but I think I misunderstood you anyway, sorry! We're both in agreeance that Eurolinx's reputation (for whatever incorrect reasons) was exceptionally solid amongst the poker industry right up until very near to collapse. And I agree with you that it'd be rare for a poker player to Google for problems when the room's reputation is solid and their business practices seem very slick (both true for Eurolinx).

My tiny rant there about the nonsense on the major forums was due to the fact that the good posters on those forums are just dwarfed by lying idiots - and that there is a culture of lying for ego-based reasons that stretches right up to some of the 'name' posters and mods - they're mostly just terrible forums across the board and very little information pulled from there has any value unless it can be verified.

Bryan is 100% right though regarding human nature. Look at how many players have flooded back to AP / UB - I got amounts on CEREUS that are ridiculous considering the debauchery and scandal-filled past. And I've reloaded big amounts on Prima skins post-TUSK post-Eurolinx. You could argue (almost fairly) that those of us who get burned in situations involving these two in particular...almost have it coming. However, to counter, if you didn't fund any room which had a shady past or history of unethical behaviour - you'd have to pretty much scratch most of them. For years, I refused to play above 2/4 fixed as I was 100% certain the sites would rig the big games. I was left behind for years until 06, when I realised I'd been wrong and went robusto. But...I played 200,000 hands of SS Fixed at AP in 04/05 - had I gone up in limits, huge chance I find myself a busted victim just as I suspected (although I thought EVERY site would have stuff like that going on - and they all might, and anyone that argues otherwise is very naive).

It's just so hard when you're trying to juggle the realities of an industry that's so shady across such a large portion of the board. You find yourself *wanting* to believe certain comforting things, when the dark reality is that history for most sites are shady and filled with "um?" incidents.

[spiderlegz]

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Dont know how much about the Malta Economic Crimes Unit, but according to what I have heard about Malta and "dirty money" you have to wonder if it even exists.

So I guess Jo Remme is laughing all the way to the bank.

[biggambler567]

Hi folks after this whole fiasco, there is another microgaming operator i have been watching foa a few months now, both players and affiliates are having to wait weeks to receiver withdrawals/commission payouts, the rep is listen on this forum and has apprently stopped responding to players emails, i will name the operator because i dont want anyone to be scammed again, it is nedplay, so if you play at this casino be very careful and expect a delay in weeks for withdrawals to be processed, something at this casino is not right, but i will continue to monitor check the casino rep page on this forum and you will see a number of cases where players are still waiting for withdrawals from in october, something is definetly wrong!!!!1

[vinylweatherman]

Hi folks after this whole fiasco, there is another microgaming operator i have been watching foa a few months now, both players and affiliates are having to wait weeks to receiver withdrawals/commission payouts, the rep is listen on this forum and has apprently stopped responding to players emails, i will name the operator because i dont want anyone to be scammed again, it is nedplay, so if you play at this casino be very careful and expect a delay in weeks for withdrawals to be processed, something at this casino is not right, but i will continue to monitor check the casino rep page on this forum and you will see a number of cases where players are still waiting for withdrawals from in october, something is definetly wrong!!!!1

I would advise you persuade these players to come here and issue PABs against Nedplay. This will get the ball rolling, and give Max some concrete claims to pursue, rather than forum posts and opinions.

Nedplay should have a timetable for players to receive their withdrawals, and 2 weeks+ seems excessive. Players who have waited more than 3 weeks certainly have a damn good case for unreasonable delay, and they should submit PABs.
If these PABs show something isn't right with Nedplay, Max will issue an appropriate warning, and they will be suspended from the accredited section until they get their act together.

Many Nedplay issues discussed here seem to be down to incompetence and lack of staff for the number of players who have joined. If the rep or their CS are not responding to issues raised, this seems an escalation of the problem, since the rep did post here and asked players to contact him directly by PM, and he would get to the bottom of these issues.

Affiliates can also PAB against their program for non-payment it seems, mentioned in an earlier thread.

Sadly, given the lack of concern MGS have shown in both the TUSK and Eurolinx Microgaming failures, it is no suprise that players and affiliates fear the issues now affecting them at Nedplay are a rerun of the former two. Given that there is NO-ONE to step in to guarantee player and affiliate monies in casino and affiliate accounts in the event of failure, their fear in this respect is very real.

[biggambler567]

Well I have submitted a PAB and also have sent the rep of the casino a few messages a little over a week now and have not gotten a response, i know the rep at least saw one of my messages because i sent him a pm and i got a notice that the message was opened, so what does that say? I will wait for max to respond to my PAB before i make any further comments on this matter, but it is quite strange that when i call support, i always get the voicemail, i can never get through to live support and well my emails has been gone unanswered for weeks, so we will se where all this goes....

[vinylweatherman]

Well I have submitted a PAB and also have sent the rep of the casino a few messages a little over a week now and have not gotten a response, i know the rep at least saw one of my messages because i sent him a pm and i got a notice that the message was opened, so what does that say? I will wait for max to respond to my PAB before i make any further comments on this matter, but it is quite strange that when i call support, i always get the voicemail, i can never get through to live support and well my emails has been gone unanswered for weeks, so we will se where all this goes....

This is the issue that has been discussed. The rep admitted that there were not enough staff to cope, and more were being recruited. The problem means that if something goes wrong, it is compounded by support simply not dealing with the query for weeks at a time, making a simple matter a 4 week delay in receiving a bonus, or getting a withdrawal request through the system.
First withdrawals are a problem because documents have to be requested, and sent for review, and lack of support staff means there are long gaps between each stage of the process.

The rep reading a PM, and deciding not to reply straight away makes it look like he is ignoring the issue. It may be that he reads the message, and intends to reply after investigating the issue. Unfortunately, unless he says this is what he is doing in a brief reply, how is the player suposed to know they are not just being ignored again.

[spiderlegz]

This is the issue that has been discussed. The rep admitted that there were not enough staff to cope, and more were being recruited. The problem means that if something goes wrong, it is compounded by support simply not dealing with the query for weeks at a time, making a simple matter a 4 week delay in receiving a bonus, or getting a withdrawal request through the system.
First withdrawals are a problem because documents have to be requested, and sent for review, and lack of support staff means there are long gaps between each stage of the process.

The rep reading a PM, and deciding not to reply straight away makes it look like he is ignoring the issue. It may be that he reads the message, and intends to reply after investigating the issue. Unfortunately, unless he says this is what he is doing in a brief reply, how is the player suposed to know they are not just being ignored again.

Doesnt explain multiple complaints of cashouts taking over a month. Seriously one person can take care of cashouts as they arent instant. Years ago at a place where I worked I paid about 100 invoices/day and it took max one hour, and the software was quite slow. So thats an excuse that I dont buy, maybe for support but not cashouts in general. Okay the cashouts have to be approved but so does invoices.

[vinylweatherman]

Doesnt explain multiple complaints of cashouts taking over a month. Seriously one person can take care of cashouts as they arent instant. Years ago at a place where I worked I paid about 100 invoices/day and it took max one hour, and the software was quite slow. So thats an excuse that I dont buy, maybe for support but not cashouts in general. Okay the cashouts have to be approved but so does invoices.

I said it was what the rep ADMITTED, though it certainly seems this is NOT the whole story by far.

[biggambler567]

I tottaly agree, i for some reason am starting to think that they are going to be just like linx,eurolink and betonbet casino and rip off players and affiliates sooner or later!!!