Eurolinx, BetOnBet, and Linx Casino gone into liquidation!!!

[spiderlegz]

Originally Posted by JHV

If you're getting your info from the main poker forums you have to realise there is literally SO much dribble about rolls there it's hard to believe a fraction of what they claim is true. I stopped posting on 2+2 and some of the other larger forums because I got tired of seeing players claim things I could easily disprove - and I didn't want to just be a "Truth Policeman" with all those retarded egos who would either sit out when I sat or who didn't even play the stakes they claimed.

But I will concur with you to Bryan that Eurolinx's reputation (right up until a month or so before disaster) was still viewed by most poker players in a positive light - I'm not sure when exactly it clicked for me that it was "game over" but I'd be lying if I claimed it was 2-3 months before the fact...even though problems starting showing up > 4 months (?) before they capitulated.

The poker community has a lot to answer for in this regard. I seriously don't know what's with players who don't make things like this public, but I had close friends in the final fortnight when it was 100% Titanic panic-Skype me saying they had 5 figure amounts pending for months?!!? And that Eurolinx wasn't reversing their w/d requests so they couldn't dump. After I ridiculed them, I helped a couple with some cheeky tricks which worked (if small remaining balance, dump it on high HA casino sidegames, then ask w/d reversed etc ). If I had a pending withdrawal > (such a short time for poker - a week max or less for processors), I would have pretty much covered forums with that news. I never understand why people stay quiet about these things.

(As for dumping, yes ofc 50+ buyins is trickier - still easy if you know what you're doing. And if you're a tourney player with a huge roll on there, unless they hit big scores towards the end, all I'd say is...Why? You don't need 50k to play tournaments on *any* site, regardless of volume.)

That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.

[JHV]

Originally Posted by spiderlegz

That info is from Marc Karams post. There used to be nosebleed games at MG, up to 200/400. So I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be true.

I dunno who that is but I think I misunderstood you anyway, sorry! We're both in agreeance that Eurolinx's reputation (for whatever incorrect reasons) was exceptionally solid amongst the poker industry right up until very near to collapse. And I agree with you that it'd be rare for a poker player to Google for problems when the room's reputation is solid and their business practices seem very slick (both true for Eurolinx).

My tiny rant there about the nonsense on the major forums was due to the fact that the good posters on those forums are just dwarfed by lying idiots - and that there is a culture of lying for ego-based reasons that stretches right up to some of the 'name' posters and mods - they're mostly just terrible forums across the board and very little information pulled from there has any value unless it can be verified.

Bryan is 100% right though regarding human nature. Look at how many players have flooded back to AP / UB - I got amounts on CEREUS that are ridiculous considering the debauchery and scandal-filled past. And I've reloaded big amounts on Prima skins post-TUSK post-Eurolinx. You could argue (almost fairly) that those of us who get burned in situations involving these two in particular...almost have it coming. However, to counter, if you didn't fund any room which had a shady past or history of unethical behaviour - you'd have to pretty much scratch most of them. For years, I refused to play above 2/4 fixed as I was 100% certain the sites would rig the big games. I was left behind for years until 06, when I realised I'd been wrong and went robusto. But...I played 200,000 hands of SS Fixed at AP in 04/05 - had I gone up in limits, huge chance I find myself a busted victim just as I suspected (although I thought EVERY site would have stuff like that going on - and they all might, and anyone that argues otherwise is very naive).

It's just so hard when you're trying to juggle the realities of an industry that's so shady across such a large portion of the board. You find yourself *wanting* to believe certain comforting things, when the dark reality is that history for most sites are shady and filled with "um?" incidents.