QuatroCasino (aka CasinoRewards ) VS momchildobrev

[Bencuri]

Well, I cannot see the difference, because for me it was not proved he is a fraudster. I don't mean he cannot be, but accoarding to what happened in the thread I haven't seen the proof for it. But I have seen the proof for the words of the OP.

Okay, now let us move away from that misinterpretation of theinfo from the fraud department. Let's see now why Renée said she changed her account name? In that case she lied again. If she didn't lie, she was not careful again to present the situation. Second time. What a rep she is!!! That already questions her credibility in my eyes. Maybe in yours not, okay it is just personal. But with the fact added that it was only the OP so far who provided proof, it counts.

And the process of adding the secondary account for withdrawal is still unclear. I tried it, I was not succesfull, because the cashier didn't let it. So by just only this fact considered, I cannot say I would believe the OP is fraudster, without further proof.

You ask why I am doing it? I am writing all this, because simply I don't believe that guy is a fraudster accoarding to the info that appeared in this thread. If I was sitting in the fraud department at CR, maybe I would. Moreover I have also experienced lying at CR myself, I have posted proof of that as well, and that was considered with the same indifference. So this way I don't believe so easily that guy is a fraudster, because I was also accused myself for different things, and that was also untrue. So this way, having met that indifference, I hardly believe that this guy committed fraud. So to say, accoarding to my experiences on how problems at CR are dealt with, I hardly believe he is a fraudster. Maybe I am wrong, after I see the proof, I will admit. But until then, I don't believe, because I have already seen my 'proof' for that.

[maxd]

... accoarding to what happened in the thread I haven't seen the proof for it.

As I'm sure you are aware, information in fraud cases is seldom published on the forums for the simple reason that it doesn't belong there. When the casino shares their methods and internal security information with us they do it on agreement that we keep it to ourselves, which we do. Hence it has not and almost certainly will not be published here on the forums.

In other words, given the info we've seen we're more than satisfied that this guy is a fraudster. If you come to a different conclusion (based on knowingly incomplete information) you're welcome to it, but it is no grounds to slander and defame the rep. Bryan has already stated as much up-thread, why it needs repeating is not clear.

[hakapuku]

As I'm sure you are aware, information in fraud cases is seldom published on the forums for the simple reason that it doesn't belong there. When the casino shares their methods and internal security information with us they do it on agreement that we keep it to ourselves, which we do. Hence it has not and almost certainly will not be published here on the forums.

In other words, given the info we've seen we're more than satisfied that this guy is a fraudster. If you come to a different conclusion (based on knowingly incomplete information) you're welcome to it, but it is no grounds to slander and defame the rep. Bryan has already stated as much up-thread, why it needs repeating is not clear.

There is something I don't understand here. You say that casino shares with you it's security methods and you can't share it with us. But what it all has to do with this specific case? Casinomeister wrote above:
"this dweeb had posted another MB account (a second one that he was trying to send funds to) thus the name had changed. "
So we all know what this guy, supposedly , did. Nothing to be secret here. Now all that is needed is to prove that Milchev actually did what he is accused of.

[maxd]

TCasinomeister wrote above ... So we all know what this guy, supposedly , did.

No offense but no, you don't know everything the guy was up to. Just because Bryan mentioned one aspect of the guy's activities does not mean he was telling you everything he knew, nor is he likely to.

I must say that these constant demands that we share the proof are what I'd expect from other fraudsters -- that's what they really want to know, "how did he get caught?" -- not rank-and-file forum members who, in my experience, generally respect the casino's need to keep its security issues private. Curiosity I understand, rabid fixation is a whole other thing.

[Bencuri]

As I'm sure you are aware, information in fraud cases is seldom published on the forums for the simple reason that it doesn't belong there. When the casino shares their methods and internal security information with us they do it on agreement that we keep it to ourselves, which we do. Hence it has not and almost certainly will not be published here on the forums.

In other words, given the info we've seen we're more than satisfied that this guy is a fraudster. If you come to a different conclusion (based on knowingly incomplete information) you're welcome to it, but it is no grounds to slander and defame the rep. Bryan has already stated as much up-thread, why it needs repeating is not clear.

Well, okay, I see you are not willing to share the info. However with the info that appeared here this case was not made clear. So anyhow you want to look at this matter, the only thing that can be drwan as an objective conclusion:

1. The OP complained.
2. The rep responded with untrue responses.
3. The OP gave proof.
4. A new reason for cheating was presented by the Meister, and the OP was banned.

For the Meister who knows the secrets of the casino, it might be enough. But what is the use of this forum then? This way it would be enough if you kept the PAB section of the site, and close this complaint section in the forum, because no matter what happens, we cannot make sure what is happening in the background. For a reader who considers things objectively,this case remains nothing, but a mess. You could make a step forward to make this case clear for us if you haven't banned him, and let him present proof. You know the secrets, so in case he would have presented fake proof, you could easily reveal that for us, so the OP wouldn't have fooled us in the end, and we could have seen more clearly. This way you could keep your secrets, yet leave the possibility for us to see clear. Seeing clearly seemed so far an aim if this forum, but now, well, what could I say, I got a different impression...

So considering the nature of this case, if you wanted to stick to objective presentation, you shouldn't have ban the OP. Simply because letting him talk more was the only way to make this case clear for us, too. Without this, you know something, that we have never heard and seen, and you want us to accept it as okay and believeable. Seeing the nature of the case it is quite an odd expectation from you.

[Casinomeister]

Hi Bencuri,

If you commit fraud and exploit this board for your own selfish agenda, you get banned. Period.

These players are given no voice here. Are you suggesting that I open this forum up to every fraudster on the planet to whine and complain about how they were cheated? Sorry - I suggest you take that suggestion elsewhere.

Life it too short to waste on this bs. I don't mind talking about general aspects of this issue, but since you have ignored the statements made by the moderators and me, thread upgraded to closed.

Final note - stop the troll posts, thank you.