hurdle VS Main Street

**racefanrob** · 14th January 2011, 06:19 AM

Now that this thread has been unlocked, it really needs looked into.

This is just preposterous.

Look at the facts in a nutshell:

No bonus complaints. Both have cashouts without bonus usage.

No identity fraud. Both have submitted all documents and had them approved and spoken to the casino via phone also.

NO chargebacks or scam like that of any sort. I have seen the ewalletxpress logs and they have funded them via their own bank wire.

Losing players depositing heavily and playing often. finally they get a cashout (non bonus cashout!) and they are labeled as "fraud".

It is impossible for them to defraud this casino if they are not stealing bonuses or using false Id's or doing chargebacks or any nonsense.

There is no plausible definition for "fraud" for these men. Do they know each other? Yes. Do they play table games? Yes. Did they somehow use each other's bets or accounts to in any way gain an advantage on the casino? HELL NO.

So this "proof" that the casino is stating it has is that they both live in the same part of the world and play the same style of gambling... wow. The problem is that is NOT fraud. Fraud is lying about who you are or what you are doing. They joined, played and used their own money to gamble with.

The fact that they are banned from the forum and are not being given an honest investigation into this is sickening to me. I know that nobody here gets paid for it but dang.... c'mon player advocates! Help these guys! You have the contacts and knowledge. You don't have anything that says "fraud" on them. It is IMPOSSIBLE. it is crazy to suggest that we believe otherwise when nobody can think of how it could be possible.

Mainstreet is stealing from them and others. This cannot be allowed to just happen. Can it?

**maxd** · 14th January 2011, 06:46 AM

I believe we've been here before, have we not? Your information on the case isn't nearly as good as you think it is. Your conclusions are ill-informed and well off the mark. Somehow I think you know that.

**racefanrob** · 14th January 2011, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by maxd

I believe we've been here before, have we not? Your information on the case isn't nearly as good as you think it is. Your conclusions are ill-informed and well off the mark. Somehow I think you know that.

Some how I am sure you don't have any clue what it is your talking about here. Take a few minutes and really read this thread and really look into it. You obviously are being fed a bag lunched lie by the casino.

what does the bolded comment really mean, Max? You always say little smarmy, effeminate, smug hints at things but you never come out and say it. So if you have something that you think that you know then type it here. if not then stop making insinuations. It is insulting and just plain wrong. You are casting a net of some guilt on my end. I have nothing to do with this other than sticking up for my friends that you have banned and silenced, changed the name of the thread errantly and locked and buried the issue.

You should man up and admit that there is no way for these players to FRAUD the casino. There just isn't. So go ahead and lock this thread like you do many that are against accredited casinos. Try to bury this issue also. Try to act like you are above looking into it really. Ban me since I keep bringing it to light.

How about YOUR "info" is ill-informed buddy? How about you might not be getting the correct info? How about you logically think for a moment as to how it could be possible to defraud the casino while playing as my friends do? How about you get some proof of fruadulent actions? You don't. I gaurantee you have nothing more than they know each other and play like each other. Almost like they are friends or something..

Cuz if you are saying that these men committed FRAUD in any manner then you are either a liar or being misinformed. Good job on banning them and silencing them though. That added a ton to the dialogue here.
There isn't one person here who can imagine how the hell fraud could take place if there is no bonus and they are not playing together and they are on single player games. You couldn't in you wildest imagination dream up of something unless there was software glitch that they somehow exploited. No chargebacks either. Your constant "guilty" attitude towards them and now somehow ME, even though I don't even play at these casinos is sickening.

This is my last post on the matter. Clearly you have no intention of looking into this with realistic vision, nor do you in any way have the ability to show otherwise. The casino locked accounts and stole money. For what they say is fraud. It is impossible to have fraud in this situation and you are watching this group on your accredited list steal from honest players.

phooey on it all then. There are some great people on this forum. I cannot frequent it any longer,becuase of the false premise of this process and I certainly won't put up with being vaguely insulted or accused by a mod in a chat room as I am trying to help my friends who he banned and in no way is trying to help.

**Casinomeister** · 14th January 2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by racefanrob

what does the bolded comment really mean, Max? You always say little smarmy, effeminate, smug hints at things but you never come out and say it. So if you have something that you think that you know then type it here. if not then stop making insinuations. It is insulting and just plain wrong. You are casting a net of some guilt on my end. I have nothing to do with this other than sticking up for my friends that you have banned and silenced, changed the name of the thread errantly and locked and buried the issue.

You should man up and admit that there is no way for these players to FRAUD the casino. There just isn't. So go ahead and lock this thread like you do many that are against accredited casinos. Try to bury this issue also. Try to act like you are above looking into it really. Ban me since I keep bringing it to light.

Okay - not a prob. Banned for being a douchebag.

This is exactly one of the reasons this thread was closed earlier by Webzcas; some members lack self discipline and allow their emotions to override their obligation to remain courteous and respectful. But I'll leave it open since we've banned racefanrob's account for flaming and disrespecting the moderators.

This is an ongoing PAB, and Max and I are still diligently looking into this situation of a group of fraudsters that have been caught out by the Main Street group and Lock casino. We're still comparing notes and when we're finished, those associated forum accounts will be closed. But only when we are 110% sure will they be closed.

I appreciate the patience members have had about this. From what I have seen from the casino is that there is a definite fraud ring at work here. We know much more than what racefanrob thinks we know. That's a fact, Jack

**ksech** · 14th January 2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by racefanrob

I'm not sure what Max will say but I can tell you that YES these players say that they have used bonuses at these casinos at various times but certainly not all the time. YES they claimed the signup bonuses at all 4 casinos. Hurdle won on 1 of these sign up bonuses, gablock didn't win on any of them.

but

NO, they did not use bonuses to win except for one of the 3 cashouts that are being stolen. Hurdle has one cashout with a bonus at one casino from Nov. 6th and one without a bonus at a different casino on Nov. 8th. Gablock has only one cashout and that does NOT involve a bonus either and is from Oct 31st which is prior to hurdle ever playing at the casinos.
Back on Nov. 3rd Slots Plus paid gablock on a win that had NO bonus used at all. This payment was on a cashout from Oct. 23rd.

NO, they did not use bonuses at the same time nor were they even members at the same time. Gablock cashed out on Oct. 31. Hurdle didn't even join the casino until Nov. 6th. gablock joined in mid September.

*Gablock deposited $2500 in total on Oct 31st before cashing out.(no bonus)

*Hurdle deposited $700 on Nov. 6th at the group. (some with/some without bonuses) His win did have a bonus used.
*Hurdle deposited another $1250 in total on Nov. 8th. (No bonus)

Hope that helps.

Okay, now I'm really confused...
racefanrob keeps making the statement that these guys NEVER used a bonus, but in this post he has stated 3 times they did use a bonus? So, they used a bonus but didn't really use a bonus???

Anyways, I for one trust what Bryan and maxd have been stating all along. We don't get to see the nitty-gritty, so we need to accept they are telling the truth. Obviously, many of a like mind as we stay here and continue to post.

**Nifty29** · 14th January 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by ksech

Okay, now I'm really confused...
racefanrob keeps making the statement that these guys NEVER used a bonus, but in this post he has stated 3 times they did use a bonus? So, they used a bonus but didn't really use a bonus???

Anyways, I for one trust what Bryan and maxd have been stating all along. We don't get to see the nitty-gritty, so we need to accept they are telling the truth. Obviously, many of a like mind as we stay here and continue to post.

Well that's what happens when you lie and/or talk via orifices that were designed to serve other purposes.

Rob knew way more than just a workmate would. Wouldn't surprise me if he were involved somehow.

How long do you think it will be before he signs up under a different alias?