hurdle VS Main Street

[Nifty29]

Still insisting his innocence Rob?

I tend to put my faith in someone who knows both sides of the story and is privy to all the evidence.

I wonder who the other syndicate members are?

[spiderlegz]

If they are keeping his deposits too its nothing but theft.

And agree theres nothing to "collude" against that group. Evidence is probably of the same caliber as Rushmores against Embalu and others.

[maxd]

... theres nothing to "collude" against that group. Evidence is probably of the same caliber as Rushmores against Embalu and others.

It seems you know nothing about the details of this case. There's basically zero similarity to the Rushmore/Embalu issue(s). What is the purpose of such empty, fact-free speculation?

[Mavin1]

Still insisting his innocence Rob?

I tend to put my faith in someone who knows both sides of the story and is privy to all the evidence.

I wonder who the other syndicate members are?

You're such an ass kisser Nifty, I have never seen a regular person be so defensive for the casinos as you are. It is beyond ridiculous and FYI, Just Play pegged you right with F M thing.

[racefanrob]

Sorry but the casino has provided extensive and very convincing evidence that this guy is linked to a group of fraudsters. This is supported by information I've gathered on my own. In cases like that we follow pretty much exactly the procedure that was followed in hurdle's case.

I am equally as sorry but the actual player who I see 5 times a week with my own eyes and talk to with face to face and has provided me with email transcripts and all such information. He has openly talked to me about his online gambling highs and lows for months and months. I sure would trust that a ton more than I would trust an RTG casino that seems to be in massive ban mode to players with cashouts.
I find it laughable that it is ok for somebody to assume he is part of a fraud syndicate. Nobody has explained how this is. It is super secret stuff I guess. LOL at that.
I am fairly sure that your research is only surface, circumstantial stuff. I am fairly sure if cornered you could not say that these players colluded against the casino to cheat the group in any way.


I'll tell you all what it is exactly:

according to hurdle AND another person (GABLOCK is his name here) from work who I recommended to come here for help but received the same response from the pab process (I won't be doing that again methinks) there is a group of guys/gals that signed up through the same affiliate. Apparently most of them met this affiliate when they were on a promotional bus taking a trip to a b&m casino. Anyways, about 5 of these guys do know each other, talk about what they do online and discussed how they thought the best way to win was. So they tried to use the same strategies, they signed up through the same affiliate, they know each other. That is all normal stuff.
Now, what are the rules broken? They have all submitted all documentation. They have all spoken on the telephone to mainstreet security. They have all followed the rules of the casino.
FURTHERMORE, the 2 people mentioned in this post BOTH didn't use bonuses or play multiple player games. How could they have colluded?
Furthermore, GABLOCK deposited $2500 on October 31st of this year at main street casinos! $2300 of that was at Lasvegas Usa and his cashout was for $3000. No bonus was used. Hurdle had not even played at the mainstreet group until the following week. How was this a syndicate? How did they cheat the casino? How did they collude?
They didn't. Its impossible and it is only a smoke screen to steal these good people's money.
More on GABLOCK, he deposited almost $5000 from September until November. After his cashout on October 31st Main street allowed him to deposit over $1000 more in the casinos with no intention of paying him evidentally. Not only this but he was PAID once prior to him being locked out. Fraud, eh? LOL!! Fraud? How did mainstreet pay this person then allow him to make massive deposits then all of the sudden not pay him? Its laughable and nothing more.

So this topic is not appropriately named. It should be "online players vs. mainstreet". It isn't just hurdle now is it? There is a group of players. There is one posting on this thread from Australia for goodness sakes, these people I know are from the US. It appears that there is more than just this small group of guys/gals.


So the tally of just 2 players is approximately $7500 deposited. $6700 in cashouts attempting to not be paid. This theft has to be for a MASSIVE amount of money depending on how many players are affected around the world.

Is anybody investigating this group?
I for one am completely tired of online casinos getting a free pass and the benefit of the doubt every time. If you accept deposits then you must payout. If you don't like a players style then lock his account but you still pay him. Casinos cannot be emboldened to simply keep deposits and winnings whenever it suits them. That isn't gambling, its stealing.

[ksech]

You're such an ass kisser Nifty, I have never seen a regular person be so defensive for the casinos as you are. It is beyond ridiculous and FYI, Just Play pegged you right with F M thing.

*confused...again*
I assumed nifty was referring to Max with his, "I tend to put my faith in someone who knows..." statement. Did I mis-read it? (I think the paint fumes are starting to get to my brain...)

[racefanrob]

Also, I had offered to forward a final plea to the casino people if hurdle provided one. He did not. In fact I received exactly zero communications from him after he submitted his PAB in spite of the fact that I emailed him twice. For someone so completely innocent he certainly was tight-lipped throughout the process.

I read your email to him Max. It states that you are done with it. You wont engage in arguing or debating it any longer. Your conclusion is conclusive. However, you are good enough to pass on any last words to the casino. Well, hurdle has done that himself with live chat and emails. Why would he send you something to pass on to them when he can do it himself? You gave him no reason to contact you back as you now appear to be on the other team.
Picture yourself in his position. You know that you are innocent and are looking desperately for some help. You file a pab that you have heard may help you. The pab administrator talks to the casino and comes back with a guilty verdict that you know for a fact is incorrect and is costing you a lot of money. This administrator never asks you another question or gives this a "trial". The decision is just made kangaroo court style.
How much more contact would you want with the person and how much do you think it would help? The premise that if he was innocent he would contact you makes no sense in this situation.

Furthermore, how can you know the things you claim? "he is telling the truth 100%", "I'm telling you with absolute certainty that this man is not a fraud", "I have seen all of his email correspondence". How would you know if you'd seen all his email or not? How can you be "100%" and "absolutely certain" of such things?

Because I actually know this person well. How do you know with 100% certainty that this player cheated the casino? Methinks you know with 0% certainty. can you even name a term that was broken? I am saying that you cannot. Period.
You have this: Player knows other players. Player uses same affiliate. Player plays same games and strategies (blackjack for goodness sakes - how much strategy do you need? You look off of a strategy card and play if you are unsure what the best move is, single player, no card counting, no losing to another player... no collusion possible). Again, this is normal. That is why they give refer a friend bonuses. Problem is, these players didnt even use a bonus to win with. Wow. What more could a casino want? Players coming in and depositing a ton and only using bonuses sporadically. Yeah, what a real band of colluders. LOL.. The more I think of it the more humorous it becomes.

No offense intended but everyone has their secrets and unless you are very, Very, VERY intimate with the guy it's hard to take your claims of full and complete knowledge of his affairs without a good, hefty pinch of salt. Most people would have trouble making such claims about their spouse never mind somebody from work.

I am not offended at all Max. I am glad you are taking part of this discussion and I see your point here. The problem is that I play online casinos. I talk with some of these people about how I play and where I play. Am I breaking casino rules? Heck NO, I am not. I do know that these are honest, good people. I cannot say that about the casinos in any way.

It makes no sense for these players to be fraudsters. Fraudsters go to casinos in waves and exploit signup bonuses or software glitches or some such thing and never really gamble their own money or risk anything. None of this happened with these players.

So why do YOU believe the casino so readily?

PS. Given the highly suspect nature of the OP's original claims I am changing the thread title from "Main Street stealing money" to "hurdle VS Main Street".

Again, bad title. It should be "all online players vs. Mainstreet stealing money". You are putting a pretty spin on it for mainstreet. It is more than just one player. Your title minimizes it.

Max, my intent isn't to sit here and pick at you or critique you. I am sure that you do a wonderful job usually. I am here to tell you that you have this one dead wrong. It is a disservice to the players on your board if you simply allow the casino to get away with what would be a HUGE heist. They simply cannot be allowed to keep all the deposits and all of the winnings from all players involved. That would be a huge scam job on players and would profit the casino immensely. If we allow this to happen then lets just allow all casinos to keep players deposits, winnings and anything else whenever they like with no consequence. It is hard enough to trust a casino but if there is nothing done when they steal like this then it is all pointless.

[greasemonkey]

FURTHERMORE, the 2 people mentioned in this post BOTH didn't use bonuses or play multiple player games. How could they have colluded?
Furthermore, GABLOCK deposited $2500 on October 31st of this year at main street casinos! $2300 of that was at Lasvegas Usa and his cashout was for $3000. No bonus was used. Hurdle had not even played at the mainstreet group until the following week. How was this a syndicate? How did they cheat the casino? How did they collude?

If this is true it makes for a great question.


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[Nifty29]

*confused...again*
I assumed nifty was referring to Max with his, "I tend to put my faith in someone who knows..." statement. Did I mis-read it? (I think the paint fumes are starting to get to my brain...)

I was referring to Max

Mavin chose the path that many people do when they can't put forward a valid argument - personal insults.

As for always taking the casinos side - well the fact is I DON'T ALWAYS take their side, and secondly I play the odds I.e. the amount of times a player has turned out to be innocent when a PAB concludes they are a fraud is incredibly tiny.

WE don't have the evidence -Max does. So ,do you trust him or some blow-in?

If one has no confidence in the integrity of those that run this site, why would one want to be here in the first place?

As for the reference to justplays comments -pathetic IMO.

[Mavin1]

Still insisting his innocence Rob?

You're speaking of a persons friend, you have no idea of who they are or what these people are like. This statement was uncalled for and does not contribute anything of value to the thread.

I tend to put my faith in someone who knows both sides of the story and is privy to all the evidence.I wonder who the other syndicate members are?

The above statement is plainly just brown nosing. I doubt Maxd needs backup.
Put your faith in whom ever you wish, but you don't know anymore than the posters in this thread do.

I was referring to Max


I was fully aware of who you were referring to, but that was not the issues with my short post was about, it's making the statment, "Still insisting his innocence Rob". This is nothing more than taking a jab at a poster.




Mavin chose the path that many people do when they can't put forward a valid argument - personal insults.

As for always taking the casinos side - well the fact is I DON'T ALWAYS take their side, and secondly I play the odds I.e. the amount of times a player has turned out to be innocent when a PAB concludes they are a fraud is incredibly tiny.

WE don't have the evidence -Max does. So ,do you trust him or some blow-in?

If one has no confidence in the integrity of those that run this site, why would one want to be here in the first place?

As for the reference to justplays comments -pathetic IMO.

I have seen that only you are offended by personal insults directed at you, yet are totally disconnected from your own personal insults you give others.

If you wish to trust Maxd, that's all fine and dandy, but to take it that one step further and distrust someone you don't know and supposedly, you are also not privy to the details of the PAB's, to make any comment is very insensitive of you. You only need to show support in a postive manner to Maxd, if that is your desire.

There are times when you should remain neutral if you can't refrain from taking a jab, regarding the personal side of people.

And what I choose to believe or disbelieve, has no bearing on decisions that come down on this forum, but that's my business. But following behind Maxd and taking the jabs at posters is where you give integrity hear a shady appearance.