DaVinci's Gold requesting notarized docs

[pacers31]

Wow, kind of harsh bb. FYI, I only play at a couple of trusted places and I have never, EVER been asked for documents or ID. Perhaps it's because I play regularly and have made so many deposits, I don't know. I did in fact show ID for my debit card WHEN I OPENED MY ACCOUNT!! Thanks bb for making my point that these things should be done upfront. I'm sorry you feel the need to admonish me for suggesting that there is a better way to do things. I sure hope you never post on here about how so and so casino stole my identity, because really you will have just given it to them. Not saying it would happen, but who knows?

You are right about one thing though, it is pointless to discuss as so many players will just go along with whatever ridiculous requests the casino makes of them. So if I understand you correctly, the casinos shouldn't check you out ahead of time because chances are you will lose anyway?? You would prefer to be surprised after you win and want to be paid?? Strange attitude IMO.

This insurance company type attitude of taking the premiums no questions asked but stalling and stalling when it is time to pay up gives this industry a black eye IMO. This endeavor ultimately comes down to trust between the casino and the player. The casino can screw the player by not paying and disappearing and the player can screw the casino by charging back deposits. It is a kind of detente that makes the whole document thing ridiculous.

BTW, what are these "protections" you speak of that they have in place and how does it benefit the player in anyway? Care to elaborate on that one??

There, I'm through with my retort. Talk amongst yourselves......

[bb28]

Originally Posted by pacers31

Wow, kind of harsh bb. FYI, I only play at a couple of trusted places and I have never, EVER been asked for documents or ID. Perhaps it's because I play regularly and have made so many deposits, I don't know. I did in fact show ID for my debit card WHEN I OPENED MY ACCOUNT!! Thanks bb for making my point that these things should be done upfront. I'm sorry you feel the need to admonish me for suggesting that there is a better way to do things. I sure hope you never post on here about how so and so casino stole my identity, because really you will have just given it to them. Not saying it would happen, but who knows?

Harsh??? Admonish? Pretty strong words there and no I don't think I did either one of those. I didn't say that the points I were trying to make were a better way of doing things. I simply said that is the way it is. Stealing your identity....now how does that come into this discussion?

You are right about one thing though, it is pointless to discuss as so many players will just go along with whatever ridiculous requests the casino makes of them. So if I understand you correctly, the casinos shouldn't check you out ahead of time because chances are you will lose anyway?? You would prefer to be surprised after you win and want to be paid?? Strange attitude IMO.

You are taking my words and twisting them into a statement I did NOT make. NOT nice!

This insurance company type attitude of taking the premiums no questions asked but stalling and stalling when it is time to pay up gives this industry a black eye IMO. This endeavor ultimately comes down to trust between the casino and the player. The casino can screw the player by not paying and disappearing and the player can screw the casino by charging back deposits. It is a kind of detente that makes the whole document thing ridiculous.

Your comparison of insurance ripping people off vs casino's is just muddling up the issue. If you want to talk about insurance rip off's...how about posting that in the attic? And.....for the record once again, if it's used as a delaying payment tactic for no good reason then that is just wrong and there should be plenty of outrage, but do you see a lot of posts complaining of this?

BTW, what are these "protections" you speak of that they have in place and how does it benefit the player in anyway? Care to elaborate on that one??

Any legitimate business has protections in place to prevent fraud and theft but yet fraud and theft continue to happen every day. It's just the way it is.


There, I'm through with my retort. Talk amongst yourselves......

I'll just ignore your dismissive comment.

[chuchu59]

I think we have heard both sides of the story and maybe we should just leave it at that. The casinos have a right to ask for the notarized docs but they need to address 2 issues. One is that they should not be singling some players out for scrutiny just because they think there might be fraud involved. Who would like to be accused that way? So they should ask for docs accross the board. The other isse is the cost involved which may be peanuts to some and quite substantial to others. If the casinos are looking for long-term relationships they should bear at least part of the fees incurred. This is something extra on top of the usual ID/Address proof and they should address the players' concerns and make it easier for them to devour. A sweetener like a ND bonus which is equivalent to the fees should do the trick.

[Jasminebed]

Originally Posted by chuchu59

IA sweetener like a ND bonus which is equivalent to the fees should do the trick.

It was $15.00 the last time I had something notarized. 20 years ago when I was a legal secretary, we used to charge $10.00 cash for non clients, freebie for clients.

[pacers31]

Just as I expected bb. You rant and rave and offer no logical response. Not sure what your problem is, but you certainly have one. Regardless, not going to fly with me. So, what are the protections bb? Are you just assuming that they exist? Until you can relate something other than slamming me for attempting to bring about change through discussion, I suggest you not humiliate yourself further with your opinions presented as fact. I will not entertain further discussion on this with you as you obviously cannot intelligently defend your position. Good luck!

[pacers31]

ChuChu, you can give them all the docs you want, but again, don't complain if something happens. Notarized documents now, whats next, a blood sample??

[pacers31]

One last thing bb, just because things are the way they are for you, doesn't make it that way for all. Sorry, but your opinion is not the only one on this forum and you should conduct yourself in such a manner as to respect others.

[bb28]

Originally Posted by pacers31

Just as I expected bb. You rant and rave and offer no logical response. Not sure what your problem is, but you certainly have one. Regardless, not going to fly with me. So, what are the protections bb? Are you just assuming that they exist? Until you can relate something other than slamming me for attempting to bring about change through discussion, I suggest you not humiliate yourself further with your opinions presented as fact. I will not entertain further discussion on this with you as you obviously cannot intelligently defend your position. Good luck!

Rant and rave uh? Slamming you? I was just stating my opinion and debating with you because I disagree with some of the points you have made.
You just took this to a personal level by being insulting and rude in what you said in the above post. So don't stress out, this is my last post in this thread.
Differences of opinion are fine and disagreement is fine but personal attacks are not.

Pacers...... I did not disrespect you nor did I stoop to personal attacks as you just did.

[catrina m]

Originally Posted by lauriejim

after giving this some thought, i have to agree that if fraud is what might be in question, whats the harm in having a few docs notarized, i mean (if )they(the casino) were stalling for time they could have one jumping thru hoops all day long, ie, this gas bill is to old, we need a newer statement ,ect and the list goes on. if i wanted my money bad enough and i knew i was in the right and had nothing to hide, give them the proof, have the docs notarized and be done with it...............just my few cents worth!! laurie

If fraud is suspected the casino has a right to protect itself but what is fraud.

I guess it's playing while underage, under an assumed name that loans you thier debit/credit card

does this give you an advantage?

Is it a drug cartel that is trying to double the ill gotten money on achilles or mega moohlah?

are they more likely to win?

Anyone that deposits is taking a risk, so what kind of fraud are they looking for?

[pacers31]

Again bb, support your argument. What are these brilliant security features?? I don't give a rats ass about you disrespecting me, just present an intelligent arguement to the facts I've laid out. You speak in platitudes and ignore the logic in my statements. You are either very gullible or worse. Until you can back up your position with facts, have a coke and a smile and................

I'm sorry you don't seem to understand alliteration, as with my insurance comparison, but reread my post and if you still don't get it, let me know. By all means continue to do what the online casinos tell you. I'm sure you are just the personality type they love as a customer. BAHBAH BAHBAH BAHBAH (as in sheep)