DaVinci's Gold requesting notarized docs

[bb28]

Originally Posted by chuchu59

I agree that it would not be cost effective to request notarized docs from each and every player. However, while TIV and some others may have genuine concerns on whether some players are fraud there may be some rogues using this as a ploy to delay cashouts or not to pay at all. We should not trust the casino in this regard as we dont know whether they are the former or latter. If there was a system which requires for such documentation when we register/deposit we should have much less to worry about.

Maybe the casino could seek to reimburse the notarization fees or rather the portion of fees that exceed $5/10. Or they could give a match bonus for these fees with a 3x playthrough.. IMO the casinos may really require these docs for security purposes but havent given much thought to this issue to make it more palatable to the players. Simply stating that this occurs infrequently is not enough because of the fundamental question: Who knows?

That is a good point chuchu59, if the player does have to go to the expense and the trouble of getting documents notarized and the player is found to be in good standing then they should reimburse the player or maybe add a no deposit bonus.
As for the it occurring infrequently, this is the 1st time I've seen it come up in the forums and it's just a 2 times thing in the last week or so, so it doesn't seem to be a frequent occurrence judging by that.
As I said in another post....if it's used as a delaying payment tactic for no good reason then that is just wrong, but we have absolutely no proof of that in these two cases.

[pacers31]

I understand there is fine print on this, but if I go to my bank where I have an account, usually I swipe my debit card and then perform my transaction. There is no protection for the casino or the player, only another hurdle placed in front of players by an industry that is already filled with too many. I say again, if I am an identity thieve and have ID in someone elses name, the casino would not have a clue. ASK WHEN I SIGN UP and the issue is moot. Seems kind of underhanded to take money with no questions asked, then go gestapo on you when you win and want some back. This conversation is as pointless now as in past threads. Besides, the casinos have the nuclear option (i.e., the big FU clause that their decision is final) Come on regulation, then I will feel a whole lot better about this issue.

[lauriejim]

what is the cost for having( per )doc notarized in other countries? i know what is ethical to charge in the u.s, but im wondering about the costs abroad, are we talking about a huge sum or the usuall 50. cent- 5.00 per stamp and signature for each doc presented ?......laurie

[bb28]

Originally Posted by pacers31

I understand there is fine print on this, but if I go to my bank where I have an account, usually I swipe my debit card and then perform my transaction.
Excuse me but didn't you have to provide some ID to get that debit card?

There is no protection for the casino or the player, only another hurdle placed in front of players by an industry that is already filled with too many. I say again, if I am an identity thieve and have ID in someone elses name, the casino would not have a clue.
They do have protection in place, perhaps that is why they are asking for the documents in the first place.

ASK WHEN I SIGN UP and the issue is moot.
They do warn you and why should they get everyone's documents when it's highly likely that the majority of players will never cash out?
Seems kind of underhanded to take money with no questions asked, then go gestapo on you when you win and want some back.
Oh come on........it's not a common practice, now is it?

This conversation is as pointless now as in past threads. Besides, the casinos have the nuclear option (i.e., the big FU clause that their decision is final) Come on regulation, then I will feel a whole lot better about this issue.

If you feel that strongly about it why do you play, assuming you do? Oh and doesn't almost every company that you do business with has a FU clause as you call it?
Agreed........regulation is needed, but even if there is some worldwide licensing agency there are still going to be rouges and players who choose to play at them, IMO. And if the conversation is pointless why are you participating??

[lauriejim]

after giving this some thought, i have to agree that if fraud is what might be in question, whats the harm in having a few docs notarized, i mean (if )they(the casino) were stalling for time they could have one jumping thru hoops all day long, ie, this gas bill is to old, we need a newer statement ,ect and the list goes on. if i wanted my money bad enough and i knew i was in the right and had nothing to hide, give them the proof, have the docs notarized and be done with it...............just my few cents worth!! laurie

[kakata]

Its Rogue not rouge

[chuchu59]

Originally Posted by kakata

Its Rogue not rouge

BB28's lips are red enough Kakata. They are rouge not rogue.

[lauram]

If this is what the casino wants and you want your money i dont think you have a choice but to go ahead and have them notarized. If other casinos follow with asking for notarized docs you will be a step ahead with your docs as you will already have them done before many of us others on here. I had a issue prob with another casino ,when they did contact me they did explain the reason behind this and trust me at their end there is a lot of issues they deal with much more then us just making a deposit that is done within seconds. Some of the issues deal with money laundering id theft and so on. And this one casino showed me just that someone had got hold of my account number and wanted it changed over and so on and so on till we got it fixed up.

[bb28]

Originally Posted by kakata

Its Rogue not rouge

Originally Posted by chuchu59

BB28's lips are red enough Kakata. They are rouge not rogue.

Oh geez........... leave it to me, to butcher a word and it just had to be that one!

[catrina m]

I think the only ones left discussing this would do whatever it took to clear thier winnings.

I would not have found this forum if (shudder) golden casino had not stalled me for 3 months.

The point is casino's have used this document tactic for years but only after you request a withdrawal.

If I am a pit boss and I see a peach fuzz kid winning thousands on my shift he will get his ID checked. Until then let him lose.

Same way with online. If your losing, no fraud worries, but try to WIN something.

Its all about money. The longer they keep your money, the more likely you are to reverse it.

If you don't believe that you are indeed a valued customer of the take take take.

Why do you think they call the days proceeds the TAKE. lol.