Mansion - bogus affiliate complaint

[AK-]

3.30.2008 (10:37 AM CST)
SCAM ALERT: Mansion F- Sources have confirmed Mansion is stiffing USA Account Players.

AK's Place joined the MANSION business program when they were accepting US players. In the time span from when AK's Place joined the program until the US market was blocked, They brought in three qualified players during a 3 day time span. Fortunately, Mansion decided to stop allowing US Americans by there own business discretion. With Mansion doing this they have changed there contractual agreement with its players and American business partners. AK's Place simply asked Mansion to pay the $360.00 owed to the business. Mansion has decided to not pay Ak's Place after an entire year of negotiation. If Mansion is not able to pay a business partners expenses from over a year ago then we highly recommend not actually depositing in a financially distressed organization. As a result of Mansions actions, AK's Place has placed Mansion on the Scam List indefinitely.

[vinylweatherman]

It is not just Mansion that behaved badly when it came to pulling out of the US market. Many outfits did this pretty much overnight. In most cases, players were given NO NOTICE AT ALL, and this left them waking up to locked accounts and long winded procedures for withdrawing their balances. If they had given notice, players could have had the chance to withdraw their balances in an orderly manner before closure, and some outfits did indeed give a short notice period.

Non payment of business partners is a slightly different matter, and unfortunately, this is where a business shows it's true colours. Although AKs Place brought 3 players to Mansion, they were quickly not wanted, and thus worthless to the operator. Since they were referred BEFORE the pull out from the US (I am assuming), and also assuming they were able to complete the process of registering, depositing, and playing that would trigger payment to AK's place, then surely payment is due to AK's place under the agreement that was in place prior to the decision to pull out of the US market.

Sadly, they know that they can refuse to pay business partners or affiliates as many lack the legal muscle to enforce the contract, and because this is an offshore internet industry, pursuit is far harder.
Mansion is in Gibraltar I believe, and this is where any claim would have to be made against the company, but for $360 this would not be cost effective. Businesses are not protected under laws that protect the consumer, or player in this case.

Venting frustration is probably the only course of action, as if any other affiliate or partner has been similarly treated, they can add their own experiences and help build a picture of how Mansion are handling the withdrawal from the US and outstanding liabilities from their US operations.

[AK-]

Since they were referred BEFORE the pull out from the US (I am assuming), and also assuming they were able to complete the process of registering, depositing, and playing that would trigger payment to AK's place, then surely payment is due to AK's place under the agreement that was in place prior to the decision to pull out of the US market.

I agree 100%

I gave Mansion almost an entire year to pay for there part of the agreement. I have learned over time this usually weeds out the bad business partners and now at aksplace we stick with legit companies. I think us webmasters are responsible into make sure people are notified of scummy actions brought from business's like Mansion. Thank You for the post.

[drpepper]

Obviously this attempt by Mansion is to bully around smaller webmasters. I hope everything turns out for You guys. With bodog bouncing checks and smaller joints like Mansion stealing from there webmasters its very important to stick with accredited casinos here on casinomeister.

[lnspin]

I had same problem , your going to need a bank account out of the usa and they will send you a wire payment ,

As soon as i opened n interntional bank account , mansion paid me what was owed , and i still work with them and still get paid .

[AK-]

I had same problem , your going to need a bank account out of the usa and they will send you a wire payment ,

As soon as i opened n interntional bank account they paid me

They made you open an international bank account?

Sounds and tactics good way to slow down payments, Will You be at the convention? I would love to have a drink with You.

[maxd]

Not sure I understand the problem here AK. Here's what I understand of the situation thus far:

- you agreed to give them 5 players before payment would be due.

- you gave them 3 before they pulled out of the US market.

- they are asking you to give them 2 more in order that the terms may be met and your payment released.

Forgive my ignorance, but is there some reason why you can't provide those last two players?

They made you open an international bank account?
Sounds and tactics good way to slow down payments

Perhaps it's to avoid being in breach of US law and allow them to continue paying their affs?

[Rhyzz]

3.30.2008 (10:37 AM CST)
we highly recommend not actually depositing in a financially distressed organization.

I sincerely doubt that Mansion is a 'financially distressed' company, but that's about as far my input goes, not gonna comment on something I don't know details of.

[AK-]

Max, I could provide them with 2 more players but the contention is they have changed there own agreement with me as I should not be obligated to do business with them anymore and with them making rules up as they speak. 90% of smaller webmaster traffic comes from the United States. If I wanted a mansion banner on my site for 6 months I could accomplish this. If they would have kept there own agreement I would have had my 5 there in less then a week. I have a large american base memberlist. If they are now demanding international banks setup I would highly prefer a business from the states not to operate with Mansion on this. I have already been audited 2 years in a row and don't feel like a 3rd go around. This is an easy example of Money Laundering using an out of country bank. I would prefer to view my rights on online gambling the American way and to avoid legal escalations that exist in this market now. Mansion has been shuck and jiving for over a year now. They excepted my service and decided one day to no longer keep there agreement. I would simply like to get paid and move on. What am I missing here other then they want to avoid paying smaller webmasters who are owed?

[Simmo!]

I sincerely doubt that Mansion is a 'financially distressed' company...

They sponsor Tottingham Hotpur...they can't be that flush