GoWild casino: problems

[maxd]

@codrin999: Just a quick reminder that you generally don't want to be discussing your case here on the boards while you have an ongoing PAB: see here for details.

[codrin999]

I understand that these issues need to be kept private and that's why I only expressed my intetion to PAB in the public forums. Also, any other information you may need, I will provide it via e-mail or PM.

I still haven't received any kind of message from GoWild, or their rep, about the exact reason of their decision, but I hope you will be more successful.

I appreciate your efforts Max!

Codrin

[maxd]

Bryan Bailey aka the Casinomeister himself, is also on the case so we're tackling this one from all sides.

[thelawnet]

Seems there are, has Artico had his "free shot" yet? His case seems similar, although he admits to staking 150 credits per hand at blackjack, winning, and then switching to lower stakes of the order of 10 credits to complete WR.
This is certainly an aggressive opening, but bonus abuse?

Please do not use the term 'bonus abuse'. It has no meaning, and gives legitimacy to casinos that operate as follows:

accept bets from 10 aggressive players: 9 bust out their deposit, and accept their fate, the 10th wins but gets dubbed 'bonus abuser'. Result: the casino gets to keep everyone's money.

Full playlogs will answer these points, and getting the playlogs for a "bonus abuser" will show on a case by case basis what is being considered "evidence of bonus abuse" by the Casino.

Who cares? We shouldn't even indulge them by suggesting that such a thing can be subjectively determined. 'Bonus abuse' is meaningless. If players want to play any strategy they like, let them, or ban it up front. If you don't want big bets, reduce the maximum wager, and if this is lower than the normal level, explain this upfront.

There is a suggestion also that Floyd has mislead the forum by giving the impression it is only around 5 players that have had such action taken, but from the inept generosity of the SUB, and the posted playing styles from a couple of those caught, I find this small number very hard to believe.

'Caught' is probably not the best verb to use.

They have done nothing wrong. If players want to bet their whole balance on pai gow or whatever, that's their choice (providing it's not banned as a game). If it means the casino determines as a result that these players are not profitable, then they simply add them to their 'no reload bonuses' list.

No gambling establishment can operate a 'losers only' policy.

There are three ways to handle this:

* reduce the bonus amount
* change the rules so there's no profit to be made
* don't offer a bonus

No way else, let us please not even discuss what bonus abuse is. If a casino's terms say 'all games beside slots are banned, and if you play other games, you forfeit your winnings' then the decision would be 'the player broke the rules by playing slots'. Or if the player abuses the bonus by setting up two accounts, then the reason for non-payment would be multiple accounts. But bonus abuse, never ever.

[chuchu59]

If casinos consider that 'some' players have abused their bonuses which were offered in good faith, fine. Let there be no bonuses offered to the players in question after they brand them as such. So this can be done for the future but not retroactively.

However, this does not seem to be the main issue here. Except for Vinylweatherman (lucky guy) many players here have not been paid for different reasons. Bonus abuse, poor ID identification, inaccurate bank details, processor problems etc. You name it and they have got it as a reason not to pay (yet). I might have a change of mind if Nifty gets paid by bank wire in the next 2 days. If they screw up on this one, then it's high time they are rogued as they are simply adopting delaying tactics promising to pay by one method and switching to another shortly after. In short, excuses covering excuses. Let's wait and see.

As for myself, I am giving them a week's time to settle their problems with ecocard which they state has legal implications and they are having difficulties with despite the fact that most MG casinos easily have this as both deposit and withdrawal options. I deposited with this and they cant let me withdraw using the same method. Go figure! Nevertheless, King Solomon's also adopt this tactic. Let you deposit but restrict your withdrawal options.

[winbig]

The real question here is:

How many of these ABUSERS that ABUSED the bonus, but yet lost, have had their deposits refunded to them?

[Casinomeister]

I've been contacted by the casino and it looks as if there will be a fair resolution in the making.

Also - again - like with every recent grouping of PABs there is some fraud involved. Member "ladywhite" has a history of PABs dating back to 2004 - two of which were connected to multiple players out of Finland.

It's time to make some changes with the PAB system and Complaints Section at Casinomeister again

[thelawnet]

I've been contacted by the casino and it looks as if there will be a fair resolution in the making.

Also - again - like with every recent grouping of PABs there is some fraud involved. Member "ladywhite" has a history of PABs dating back to 2004 - two of which were connected to multiple players out of Finland.

It's time to make some changes with the PAB system and Complaints Section at Casinomeister again

I'm a bit confused, there's no 'Ladywhite' in this thread.

Is the OP from Finland?

[NextToYou]

I'm a bit confused, there's no 'Ladywhite' in this thread.

Is the OP from Finland?

I understood that Ladywhite is just one Go Wild PABer and has nothing to do with the thread actually.

[maxd]

I understood that Ladywhite is just one Go Wild PABer ....

This is correct, one of the first.

And yes LawNet, their IP was out of Finland.