Kiwi Casino, Better Then Other Playtech Casinos?

thesmacker · Jul 7, 2004

I noticed Casinomeister has removed all Playtech casinos from his reputable list other then Kiwi. It is stated that the casinos have been removed due to blanket problems with Playtech, not necessarilly individual casinos. I have played at Kiwi and they seem on par with anyother Playtech casino insofar as support and payment speed, I was paid to neteller in 5 days. I'm just wondering, but Kiwi to me is no better then most Playtechs such as City Club, and because they use Playtech software, would to me anyways, fall under the same problems of overall Playtech mismanagment. Why then does Kiwi get put on a higher level then most Playtechs. To me and many others The Sunny Group is far superior to Kiwi in support and speed of payments, but they recieve no pardon from Playtechs lack of responsibility in management. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers

jpm · Jul 7, 2004

I'd have to agree with you on that. I've found Kiwi to be unresponsive to email and they take far too long to process a neteller withdrawl. Sunny always responded quickly, as did others like Casino King, Las Vegas, etc group. Though Sunny lately has had some credibility issues in their dispute with GoneGambling. I think if Kiwi was responsive to emails and processed withdrawls quickly like BelleRock group and Fortune Lounge do, they'd be much better.

The Dude · Jul 7, 2004

Have you missed the point?

I think a lot of people are missing the point at what I am getting at. There are certain issues that I have - and you as a player should have - with the licensing process , the OPA bogusness, the bringing on of Indio casino, the Chance group problems, delay of payments, and Playtech's ineffectiveness to address any player problems. This should bother you as well.

As for Kiwi: Kiwi casino has been listed here since they began with Cryptologic. They have not been associated with any of the problems that I've outlined to Playtech. They are associated with the Christchurch Casino in NZ. I rarely receive complaints from players concerning them. To remove them would not be a fair thing to do in my opinion. That is a concern of mine - fairness.

As for your lengthy cashouts...this I don't really get. My cashout turnaround time is one day from Kiwi. And I don't think I'm getting any special priviledge. For instance I made a $300 cashin request on the 5th of July, it was in my Neteller account the next day - the 6th. I double checked this today to make sure.

Back to Playtech. If Playtech decides that what I have brought up is not worthy of an answer, no problem - I'll answer the questions myself and send Kiwi on their merry way. Which would be a real stupid shame -- no one needs this.

I see you like the Sunny Group even though they tout the OPA banners which you are well aware is an "association" of two Welshmen who never went to college. Doesn't this bother you? Apparently not. And that's the big problem with a lot of this. I do something for the benefit of the players - and operators as well - and most people turn a blind eye and go for that big bonus.

jpm · Jul 7, 2004

I'd love to know how you're getting next day cashouts. Mine sit there for days before they finally process them. My most recent was I think last friday which I finally got an email about it being processed (but not yet in neteller) late last nite. Do you have some sort of VIP status there perhaps??

bethug · Jul 7, 2004

jpm, he has I own casinomeister status

jpm · Jul 7, 2004

You think maybe that gets him the good treatment?

The Dude · Jul 7, 2004

bethug said:
jpm, he has I own casinomeister status

Yeah, right. Maybe it's because I've been a member for so long. I'm not sure if I have special VIP status or what, but I'll check.

A lot of casinos don't know who I am (me thinks) since I normally sign up with emails other than @casinomeister.com. Magic Box knows who I am and I wait the obligatory 4-5 days, so what's up with that?

jpm · Jul 7, 2004

I was only kidding about that. I"m sure you keep a low profile when you sign up so you can walk amongst the peasants and see how the ordinary players get treated.

I've been a member at Kiwi since back in the cryptologic days too, and supposedly have VIP status. They convert my comps at a rate of 3800 to 1, rather than the typical 4000 to 1. That's probably the easiest way to check, see what your conversion rate is like. Perhaps there's different levels of VIP?

chucho · Jul 7, 2004

As far as I can tell, all Playtech casinos are the same. I personally don't care if it takes a day or a week to get paid. What I do care about is a fair game which does not happen all that often with playtech. Bottom line is that they flip the switch a lot more than most other casinos. I hate it when they beat me is such and unbelivable way, over and over again. Then won day I won $1000 off a $100 deposit at Swiss, so I keep going back. This is what I would prefer rather than to waste my time again a machine that can't be beat when the switch is on. I make a $100 deposit and 70% of the time a pop up would come up and say "the switch is on, your $100 is gone" the other 60% of the time the pop up says, "the switch is off, have fun" In the 1st case I don't waste my time and don't feel like I was raped.

fanofplaytech · Jul 7, 2004

"Magic Box knows who I am and I wait the obligatory 4-5 days, so what's up with that"

You dont advertise Playtech but you play there yourself?? :eek:

The Dude · Jul 7, 2004

fanofplaytech said:
"Magic Box knows who I am and I wait the obligatory 4-5 days, so what's up with that"

You dont advertise Playtech but you play there yourself??

Hi fanofplaytech,

And welcome to the forum. Advertising has nothing to do with anything here - I'm talking endorsement. And I've made my stance pretty damn clear.

The last time I made a deposit at Magicbox was sometime in June I think, so what's the point?

No point: just a new poster -- just signed up, and jumping into a conversation without a clue to the real issue here.

jpm · Jul 7, 2004

His playing somewhere is not an endorsement of that casino. I'm sure there's someplace or something you do that you wouldn't recommend to your friends or anyone who respects your opinion. There are casinos I play at, but wouldn't mention/recommend them here. Same with Bryan. And I think it shows that he won't just endorse any casino he'll play at, it has to be better than just good enough.

dominique · Jul 7, 2004

I used to play Kiwi when it was Crypto, and I think it shouldn't have switched. I liked it fine.

I too sometimes play casinos I wouldn't recommend to my visitors. My checking them out is not an endorsement.

I think the point here is not that all individual playtech casinos are bad (although some definitely are). Playtech is blacklisted for not enforcing certain behaviors with some of their casinos.

Casinos need to be licensed. Unlicensed casinos are poison for the industry - they are beyond reach. They are a disgrace and a welcome argument for those who would put a stop to online gaming.

Hopefully Playtech will come to it's senses. ASAP!!!

Sodax77 · Jul 7, 2004

Few months ago, when we talk here about that weird "golden palace spyware"-thing, what seems quite ok now. I ask from Kiwi casino, one easy question about privacy and this weird spyware-thing, they didn't respond ever, i think there was some error, so i resent same letter, still no respond, so i resent 3rd times, and ask, if they can only answer that they don't know, or can't answer, or whatever!!!, and like their all auto-replies say about manager mail, i also sent same e-mail to manager, still no respond, ever. Ok, then i test their support, is there anyone at all, and ask some basic question. and now they respond in few hours. And answer was... :rolleyes:

...[no comment]

Kiwi casino receive worst support title from me (yes, that is only my opinion).
I also add New York casino to same category.

They never receive same title, like Trident E Group, Phoenician, (and) Nostalgia, 32red, VPL group, CON, and nowday i like to add Jackpot Factory group to same category. Those casinos answer always in 15min - 2 hour what ever you ask, or just send feedback, or just say hello

I always appreciate good customer support, and they know that, because i tell that to their support, and play regularly in these casinos. And never ever have any problem with these places. (exclude that VPL mistake, but that is history now)

and example
From Nostalgia casino site:
" Nostalgia Casinos we are here to help.
Nostalgia Casinos.com is all about great entertainment and you should feel 100% comfortable at all times. Should you ever have any problems or questions or just want to say hello to your friendly member support representative, please don't hesitate to contact us."

And they keep promise.

fanofplaytech · Jul 7, 2004

oops sorry if I offended anyone I was just expressing my opinion on what I had read, that said I see that Golden Palace has some very negative comments from the casinomeister yet a couple of Months back I see from his pictures he was romping around in a sumo costume clearly advertising Golden Palace. That said casinomeisters opinions and views are just that, his,sometimes he is in a minority and maybe the majority who knows. I do apologise if my expressing my opinions are viewed as contemptable

The Dude · Jul 7, 2004

fanofplaytech said:
oops sorry if I offended anyone I was just expressing my opinion on what I had read, that said I see that Golden Palace has some very negative comments from the casinomeister yet a couple of Months back I see from his pictures he was romping around in a sumo costume clearly advertising Golden Palace....

Okay, what's your beef? I have a real short fuse right now, and the first two postings of yours are seemingly trying to discredit me. Not a good move on your part. Think before you post.

The sumo activity was for charity - the contestants did not choose to put Golden Palace on the suits, Golden palace did - they were sponsoring the event.

fanofplaytech · Jul 7, 2004

Cool, I take my hat off to Golden Palace for helping the charity concerned.
I am sorry if your fuse is short, I certainly have no intention of discreditting you, I am quite sure you are beyond reproach.

dominique · Jul 7, 2004

I certainly have no intention of discreditting you, I am quite sure you are beyond reproach.

Aw geez! Another high quality content contributor. I could not have made it through the day without reading this informative post!

Posters like that seem to proliferate lately. Must be a nest someplace.

The Dude · Jul 7, 2004

dominique said:
Aw geez! Another high quality content contributor. I could not have made it through the day without reading this informative post!

Posters like that seem to proliferate lately. Must be a nest someplace.

Well he caught me in a foul mood, and I don't need his snide-ass remarks. Banned for seven days....you can come back on the 15th and join the party.

City Streets · Jul 7, 2004

This was originally posted by Dom, and then edited.

Today, 06:16 PM
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Aw geez! Another high quality content...

Aw geez! Another high quality content contributor. I could not have made it through the day without reading this informative post!

Posters like that seem to proliferate lately. Must be a nest...

Gee Dom, were you trying to cause a bit of trouble with that post, and then thought better of it?

I saw it... so I think everyone else should, too. :rolleyes:

Freudian · Jul 8, 2004

I have currently waited 7-8 days for my withdrawal at kiwi, and the email I sent off asking about it has not been answered in 20 hours. I have to say I am far from impressed this far.

edit: in fact now I see that the money has been returned to my account for some reason, without them having contacted me once. sigh...

thesmacker · Jul 8, 2004

I apoligize Casinomeister if you felt that my post was an attack on your decision to keep Kiwi on your list of reputables while displacing all other Playtech powered casinos. I assure you it was not, but was a genuine question as to whether Kiwi is a superior casino to other Playtechs. The reason I brought it up more specifically was to envoke the question, if a casino is well run but run under the flag of a semi-rogue software provider should then that casino also be listed as rogue? Also, are we travelling down a slippery slope by saying the software provider is rogue and these casinos should be avoided with the exception of a couple? Are we not then still contributing to the royalties of that rogue software provider and thus keeping them in business?

My 2 cents here, but to send a real message to Playtech would be to blacklist all Playtech powered casinos regardless of their ability to provide quality service. This would probably push the good casinos under the rogue software to look elsewhere for their software and cause the rogue software to make a decision to either shape up or go out of business.

I'm not saying that Kiwi isn't a good casino, but I just feel this special privilege to them may hinder the overall message that should be sent to Playtech. No Offence Intended Meister, just sharing my opinion.
Cheers

portia · Jul 8, 2004

Agree with Dominique, i liked Kiwi a lot better when they were Crypto powered.

What is the attraction for casino operators from Playtech vis a vis the competing SW.

There has been a lot of switching over to Playtech (and RTG to a lessor extent)

[BTW CMeister : Good call on Playtech - overdue. If anything u have been to patient with these guys]

jetset · Jul 8, 2004

Sodax raises some good points - simply ignoring legitimate but perhaps potentially embarrassing requests for play or other information seems to be the policy of way too many casinos and software providers.

It astonishes me that they do not see the harm they do to themselves by not getting into a sensible dialogue on issues and trying to address them. The uncharitable might say that they are not interested in resolving issues unless it is to their immediate advantage, but that would be ill-advised short term thinking. Maybe it is.

Playtech has imo been given ample opportunity to address several alarming aspects concerning the conduct of their licencees, and there is clearly a strong measure of player support for the 'Meister's attempts to get them to explain themselves and take remedial action. The fact that they have treated with apparent contempt these (and other) civilised attempts to redress the situation speaks volumes for their attitude toward the player in my view.

I am also surprised that the Casinomeister has been criticised by some newcomers to the board for actually putting his money where his mouth is. His decision not to carry Playtech advertising in the interests of his members actually costs him advertising revenue, yet we have some here arguing the toss about his retention of Kiwi Casino, a long-standing client with a generally clean slate although I take JPM and Freudian's points about payouts that take several days longer than they should.

The Dude · Jul 8, 2004

thesmacker said:
I apoligize Casinomeister if you felt that my post was an attack on your decision to keep Kiwi on your list of reputables while displacing all other Playtech powered casinos. I assure you it was not, but was a genuine question as to whether Kiwi is a superior casino to other Playtechs.

No offence taken, I understand the possible confusion and questions; thus I have tried to make myself clearer. I know what is going on in my head and what my intentions are; it's up to me to ensure that I am explaining things in a clear manner.

City Streets said:
Gee Dom, were you trying to cause a bit of trouble with that post, and then thought better of it?

Please take your fight elsewhere. Last warning.

portia said:
[BTW CMeister : Good call on Playtech - overdue. If anything u have been to patient with these guys]

Thanks for your support. I think a lot of players and webmasters are unaware that this situation has been on the table for a number of months, so perhaps I have been too patient - or just too busy.

Jetset said:
The fact that they have treated with apparent contempt these (and other) civilised attempts to redress the situation speaks volumes for their attitude toward the player in my view.

Players need to wake up and see what is happening here. If a Playtech casino decides not to pay them, what are they going to do? Go to Playtech? Go to the licensing agency? (Please note that many Playtech casinos no longer sport the Antiguan Gaming Commision logo anymore....are they licensed? Stay tuned for this one...) Where is the player assurance if something goes wrong?

Answer: Players are on their own.

thesmacker said:
My 2 cents here, but to send a real message to Playtech would be to blacklist all Playtech powered casinos regardless of their ability to provide quality service. This would probably push the good casinos under the rogue software to look elsewhere for their software and cause the rogue software to make a decision to either shape up or go out of business.

Everyday, there is something new on the horizon. Perhaps if I continue to be stonewalled by Playtech, things will get increased by a notch. Or maybe I'll just say the hell with it and let them go on their aloofish way.

One thing for sure, if my questions aren't answered by tomorrow, (ref: https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-software/playtech/) I'll answer them myself - and I don't think they (Playtech) will like the answers. Pretty pathetic, eh?

jpm · Jul 8, 2004

I had a problem getting a payout from another playtech casino last year (can't actually remember which one offhand), and I did write to playtech about it and they did rectify it for me and get me paid. So in that respect, they did take ownership of the problem. That may have changed since then, but at least then they were responsive.

I have another question though Bryan with regards to licensing. You're putting alot of emphasis on making sure their casinos are licensed, but in my experienced, licensed or not doesn't seem to make a difference when there's a problem. I have yet to see ANY licensing authority do anything to a casino when they screw over a player. Have you seen anything different? To me, an antiguan gaming license is no better than a costa rican one, or none at all. AIB was licensed in antigua and when they went under, the licensing authority did nothing to compensate the players who lost hundreds and even thousands, despite numerous complaints to them.

So what is the benefit of playing at a licensed casino?

The Dude · Jul 8, 2004

jpm said:
...So what is the benefit of playing at a licensed casino?

Excellent question JPM, and this is something I feel could be a pivotal issue...what friggin' difference does it make? I have strong feelings about this and I try to make this clear here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/newsletters/

This is the newsletter from last March which everyone should read. Side note: if you are not a subscriber, you are really missing out on the essence of Casinomeister. If you choose not to subscribe, it's posted weekly here https://www.casinomeister.com/newsletters/ and then archived. And it's searchable

Anyway, besides the importance of being licensed (legitamacy, accountability), isn't it deceptive to claim you are licensed when you are not? This is not an an indicator of trustworthiness - an attribute that is essential for making this industry a legitimate one. What if this information fell into the hands of MSNBC, or CNN? (if they cared) What a field day they would have and just trash this industry even more so. And then the DoJ would just have more reason to do their funny little witch hunt.

Those of us who care about the players and of this industry are quick to point out that half-assed attempts to gain player trust via deceptive practices are crucifiable offences. It's a shame that so many Playtech operations are choosing this route.

jpm · Jul 8, 2004

casinomeister said:
Anyway, besides the importance of being licensed (legitamacy, accountability), isn't it deceptive to claim you are licensed when you are not? This is not an an indicator of trustworthiness - an attribute that is essential for making this industry a legitimate one. What if this information fell into the hands of MSNBC, or CNN? (if they cared) What a field day they would have and just trash this industry even more so. And then the DoJ would just have more reason to do their funny little witch hunt.

Those of us who care about the players and of this industry are quick to point out that half-assed attempts to gain player trust via deceptive practices are crucifiable offences. It's a shame that so many Playtech operations are choosing this route.

I totally agree that claiming to be licensed when you are not is totally deceptive, you should be wary of a casino that would do this. But I still don't think licensing (in general) adds any legitimacy to an online casino, and certainly has yet to be proven to me that it affords any accountability. The worst I can think of happening to a casino that violates its license is that it would lose its license from that jurisdiction (big woop). So they go to Costa Rica and buy themselves a new one, or just operate without and say they have one because who really checks these things!

To be honest, that is the one thing I consistently NEVER check when I sign up with a new casino. I read thru every word of the T&C, etc. but never even look for licensing because to me its just fluff with no substance, a paper tiger.

Do you (or anyone else reading this) know of any instance of a licensing authority actually taking meaningful action against a licensee other than just pulling their license? I can't recall any, but I'm not as close to these things as you and a few others here (spear, jet, etc) are.

The Dude · Jul 9, 2004

jpm said:
But I still don't think licensing (in general) adds any legitimacy to an online casino, and certainly has yet to be proven to me that it affords any accountability.

It does via a trickle down effect. In my newsletter I made an analogy of comparing this to a driver's license. You could theoretically drive at your heart's content and not have a problem driving without a license. Just don't have an accident because most insurances won't cover you.

It's the quality of the driver. I honestly feel that I'm a better driver now because what I was required to learn and do for my German DL. In order to get a license in the states, all you need is $25 and pass some multiple guess exam and then drive around with some guy for a half hour. A license in Germany is going to cost you about $2000, CPR classes, mandatory classwork and driving time. I drove here without a valid license (unknowingly) for a couple of years. When I took the classes and studied for the exam, I was literally blown away realizing there was so much I didn't know about driving in Europe. I'm damn glad I met the requirements to get this license because it honed my driving skills. (watch me get in a wreck tomorrow and eat my words)

So to meet the licensing requirements is the kicker, not the actual license itself.

jpm said:
To be honest, that is the one thing I consistently NEVER check when I sign up with a new casino. I read thru every word of the T&C, etc. but never even look for licensing because to me its just fluff with no substance, a paper tiger.

You and about 95% of the players

. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in any license in the Caribbean, Central or South America. Antigua and Curacao, (Netherland Antillies) are the only two that have representatives at conferences and exhibitions, and the only two that I feel would do something if the shit hit the fan. But it should NEVER have to go this far. The software provider is inbetween the operator and the licensing entity. The buck should stop at the operator.

When it comes to licensing, I have much more faith in a jurisdiction that requires the operators to jump through hoops to join up. These are your European jurisdictions. Again let me emphasise - you are getting a better product out of the companies that meet these standards - it's not the license that makes them good - it's the preparation and meeting of certain standards that makes a better operation.

jpm said:
Do you (or anyone else reading this) know of any instance of a licensing authority actually taking meaningful action against a licensee other than just pulling their license? I can't recall any, but I'm not as close to these things as you and a few others here (spear, jet, etc) are.

It should never have to go that far. Again it's the software provider that puts these people into operation. They need to ensure players are protected. The only licensing agencies I've ever had to contact are the Antiguans and Kawnawakee. It seems that the only licenses that should have been pulled are those issued from Costa Rica....but then these aren't gaming licenses

jetset · Jul 9, 2004

Whilst I take JPM's very pragmatic point, I think licensing does indicate some sense of responsibility and it should be done by any even halfway decent casino. It does give another avenue of attack on a recalcitrant casino, albeit under pressure.

Being governmental, some of these jurisdictions have punitive financial measures as well as merely revoking a license (which doesn't seem to happen one helluva lot!) as part of their licensing regimes, but in my experience their general enforcement and commitment to protecting the player leaves a great deal to be desired.

My personal experiences over several years include contacting a variety of these bodies (including Antigua) in a number of mediations, usually in an attempt to bring external pressure to bear on a bum operator screwing a player. Regrettably, I would have to say that you are lucky to get any response, and when you do it is tardy and rarely helpful.

In Antigua's case for at least a couple of years we have seen repeated assurances that their licencing enforcement and player service is being improved, and as we see from Bryan's recent contact they seem to be responsive at least. But I have yet to see any real evidence of a serious commitment and action in resolving disputes or policing licencees beyond grabbing the licensing fees at most of these "jurisdictions".

jpm · Jul 9, 2004

Thanks Bryan and Jetset, I do agree that licensing (real licensing ala the german drivers license) does add some credibility or sense of security to a casino, but it seems that those are few & far between.

Antigua is my prime example though of a paper tiger licensing authority. Atlantic Interbet was licensed there, closed their doors without warning one nite and left at least one player I know with a $20,000+ unpaid cashin (and quite a few others with 100s or 1000s of unpaid cashins). Many of those people contacted the Antiguan authorities and complained, but all they got was lip service in return. Last I heard from him, the guy waiting for his $20k+ was still waiting, and that was almost 2 years ago now I think, and no help whatsoever from Antigua. So I don't put alot of faith in their licenses.

I do trust the UK based licensees more than any others I think. The Kawnawakee would be next on my list (that one I actually do notice on a website when I see it, and does give me a little bit of a warm fuzzy). Antigua & CR are at the bottom for me and as such virtually meaningless to me.

That's fascinating about what you have to go thru to get your drivers license there. No wonder they can allow people to drive at warp speed on the autobahn. I would love to have a similar highway here in the US, but I can never see it happening, unfortunately.

Freudian · Jul 10, 2004

Update. After making a withdrawal again and sending off two mails to them, I still (72 hours) haven't heard anything from Kiwi. Am preparing for the hasslefilled experience customers of onlinecasinos unfortunately have to get used to.

mary · Jul 10, 2004

It's funny, but the real test of a license doesn't seem to be enforcement by a licensing agency--it seems to be by angry business partners who were told the casino had a valid license but didn't.

Case in point: The Tropika group of casinos used PWC to endorse their RNG's. Tropika let their Antigua license lapse, but did not inform the public, Microgaming, or PWC. After failing to pay several players, it was PWC's anger at being misled that provided the leverage to pressure Microgaming into cleaning up after Tropika.

Another example is that of the UK operators with land licenses. While their online operations are not yet UK tested, they have to keep their noses clean to preserve their brick and morter investments. This is very meaningful regulation--after all, you can't open another physical casino as easily as anohter url.

Freudian · Jul 11, 2004

After three mails and four days of silence they send me a mail that I have to send them scans of my ID. This really annoys me when casinos do that. Do they think I am a mindreader? How about actually contact me once to tell me what they require? Noooooo! Lets just cancel the withdrawal and then do absolutely nothing and have the custmer put in a lot of time and effort to find out what went wrong with the withdrawal. Horrible customer service. Their site claims to have 24/7 customer service and it takes them 96 hours to reply to the queries of a customer?

I have been treated this way by Casino Rewards before and I haven't spent a single cent more there. Same thing will happen with Kiwi.

jpm · Jul 12, 2004

Freudian said:
After three mails and four days of silence they send me a mail that I have to send them scans of my ID. This really annoys me when casinos do that. Do they think I am a mindreader? How about actually contact me once to tell me what they require? Noooooo! Lets just cancel the withdrawal and then do absolutely nothing and have the custmer put in a lot of time and effort to find out what went wrong with the withdrawal. Horrible customer service. Their site claims to have 24/7 customer service and it takes them 96 hours to reply to the queries of a customer?

I have been treated this way by Casino Rewards before and I haven't spent a single cent more there. Same thing will happen with Kiwi.

That is becoming virtually commonplace everywhere now. Just another trick to get you to wager away your withdrawl. Don't fall for it!

BrianN · Jul 19, 2004

Questions from a new kid on the block

chucho said:
As far as I can tell, all Playtech casinos are the same. I personally don't care if it takes a day or a week to get paid. What I do care about is a fair game which does not happen all that often with playtech. Bottom line is that they flip the switch a lot more than most other casinos. I hate it when they beat me is such and unbelivable way, over and over again. Then won day I won $1000 off a $100 deposit at Swiss, so I keep going back. This is what I would prefer rather than to waste my time again a machine that can't be beat when the switch is on. I make a $100 deposit and 70% of the time a pop up would come up and say "the switch is on, your $100 is gone" the other 60% of the time the pop up says, "the switch is off, have fun" In the 1st case I don't waste my time and don't feel like I was raped.

I am only new to the forum and finding it VERY interesting reading. Chucho, when you say "flip the switch' do you mean that if you are winning, the casino software deliberately switches into a mode that ensures you lose? If so, this is disappointing. I like to play roulette and so far Playtech has provided me with the best experience. For a start it allows no bet spins and usually has no betting limits on outside bets, only on inside bets. Also, I have noticed that, even with the same type of software, the random number generators for different casinos seem to produce different patterns in the numbers, for instance some have a tendency to run often while others tend to chop more often. Is a casino's random number generator imbedded in the software they use and therefore all Playtech or all Viper casinos random number generators behave the same way or are they separate devices hooked up to a software suite? I have also wondered if the numbers casinos give players in 'play for fun' mode are a true indication of what you would get if you are playing for money? I welcome input from you experienced users

maxfalcon · Jul 19, 2004

when you say "flip the switch' do you mean that if you are winning, the casino software deliberately switches into a mode that ensures you lose?

Nothing has been proven and this term "switch" comes very easily when people have bad losing streaks. (no offense guys & gals!)

There is a lot of controversy about the PlayTech software but nothing about cheating has been really proven by the past.

I personally like this software but I have found that Microgaming has really done a huge job lately on their games.

Is a casino's random number generator imbedded in the software they use and therefore all Playtech or all Viper casinos random number generators behave the same way or are they separate devices hooked up to a software suite?

Good question, I think it's the second option but I can be wrong. IMHO each casino should have a different seed.

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The artist formally known as Casinomeister

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)

The artist formally known as Casinomeister

RIP Brian

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)

Dormant account

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Paleo Meister (means really, really old)

Dormant Account

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