[CLOSED] Betdirect/MG robbing me of 1,200+$

[dunhill]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

Sorry Dunhill, but you can't come on and bad mouth a site, then when their response (via CM) loooks bad on you, and backs there response, you want to carry on via PM.

I have to ask, why your "friend" changed to being your girlfriend, and why a girlfriend can't just pay you, rather than going to the bother of opening two poker room accounts to chip dump?

I haven`t said anything insulting about BD. I`m just convinced their reaction is not right. I`m not the only one who thinks this way on this forum. You do not, but that`s no big deal.

What response are you talking about?

If you read my posts attentively, I have always mentioned that my friend is female. Whether or not she is my girlfriend is not a concen of yours, neither is the way I mention her.

Last question has partly been discussed in my earlier posts (1st one) and in deleted post which has been read by CM. If he suggests that answers to that question would better be posted in public thread, I will repeat them.

[jleonov]

Originally Posted by dunhill

They didn`t say a word about chip dumping. And confiscating funds taking into account their T&C and absense of any harm or threat from our actions is wrong. I know that they are not banks, thanks.

I want to make my point more clear. Although they have not said anything about chip dumping, it was exactly that you did.

Remember, Poker Managers are not a special creatures capable of reading people minds and knowing players intentions.

And now let's look on this from the point of an ordinary Poker Manager:

1. Funds are being dumped.
2. The person who is dumping them is trying to launder money = money are from a fraudulent source.
3. If Moneybookers was used for the deposit of the funds, in that case, Moneybookers account was most probably hacked. Which also means that Moneybookers will have to investigate activity on the account in question and could request funds to be sent back to this account. This is the reason for confiscation on your account.
4. Other players could have seen the dumping on the table, which is harming reputation of the poker room/network.


And now think, that would you do in case someone has hacked your Moneybookers account, deliberately lost all funds on some poker site and a withdrawal from the account receiving funds would have been approved?
You would blame the poker room for helping stealing money from you.

[dunhill]

Originally Posted by jleonov

I want to make my point more clear. Although they have not said anything about chip dumping, it was exactly that you did.

Remember, Poker Managers are not a special creatures capable of reading people minds and knowing players intentions.

And now let's look on this from the point of an ordinary Poker Manager:

1. Funds are being dumped.
2. The person who is dumping them is trying to launder money = money are from a fraudulent source.
3. If Moneybookers was used for the deposit of the funds, in that case, Moneybookers account was most probably hacked. Which also means that Moneybookers will have to investigate activity on the account in question and could request funds to be sent back to this account. This is the reason for confiscation on your account.
4. Other players could have seen the dumping on the table, which is harming reputation of the poker room/network.

1. -
2. Poker manager may think whatever he wants to think. But when making some actions, like confiscating funds, it doesn`t matter what he thinks. it matters what he can prove.
He may think I`m Osama bin Laden laundering money to do some more bullshit. If you`re a reasonable person, you would think that the manager`s completely lost his goddamn mind.
They could have accused me of some crimes against humanity to make it sound more frightening to you. It is just as groundless as the fraud/collusion accusation.
3. Come on, we`re talking about them stealing 1,2k from me. Words like "most probably" just don`t go in here. Moreover, an ID can always be asked for to verify the account holder. Plus, charge back on moneybookers is impossible afaik. So no risk for poker room here
4. Not a great fu**ing reason to confiscate the funds.

But thanks for explaining your point, anyway


[/quote]And now think, that would you do in case someone has hacked your Moneybookers account, deliberately lost all funds on some poker site and a withdrawal from the account receiving funds would have been approved?
You would blame the poker room for helping stealing money from you.[/quote]

1. Asking for ID prior to withdrawal could solve this problem.
2. Hypothetically, what would be the difference for me (as the account holder) between poker room confiscating the funds (as in this case) or the hackers receiving my money...

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by dunhill

I haven`t said anything insulting about BD. I`m just convinced their reaction is not right. I`m not the only one who thinks this way on this forum. You do not, but that`s no big deal.

What response are you talking about?

If you read my posts attentively, I have always mentioned that my friend is female. Whether or not she is my girlfriend is not a concen of yours, neither is the way I mention her.

Last question has partly been discussed in my earlier posts (1st one) and in deleted post which has been read by CM. If he suggests that answers to that question would better be posted in public thread, I will repeat them.

She started the story as your friend, which was strange, as surely a friend would just pay you rather than open a poker account to dump chips, you explained this by saying they lived a distance away. Then she became your girlfriend (you said this, no-one else), which makes the distance argument a bit moot you would surely admit, and the whole scenario more implausible?

[dunhill]

Originally Posted by fatshaft

She started the story as your friend, which was strange, as surely a friend would just pay you rather than open a poker account to dump chips, you explained this by saying they lived a distance away. Then she became your girlfriend (you said this, no-one else), which makes the distance argument a bit moot you would surely admit, and the whole scenario more implausible?

Here we go again... As I said before, we both has accs at BD casino. She had a significant sum in it. There is no difficulty in opening a poker account if you`re already registered at the casino. As you might know, moneybookers has outgoing transaction limits and you might prefer to preserve them if possible, which is why she decided not to withdraw cash from casino and then send it via MB but use poker instead.
As for cash variant, read my posts attentively. http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post205415

Your "distance" point is fabulous. You`re sherlock holmes! Did you not think that sometimes people do not live together, but have some kind of close relationship? And AGAIN, READ MY POSTS about cash/MB situation.

Now, is confiscating the funds a resonable reaction on all this? It`s like hanging a person for crossing the street on the red goddamn light. ABSURD, to say the least.

[dunhill]

And here`s a little update on the situation.
A few days ago I logged into my account and it wasn`t locked! I thought the situation was solved. I played at the casino a little and my balance rose to 1,310 GBP from 622 GBP. I.e. 2,600+ USD. I was asked for my docs prior to cashing out and sent them. Later I received e-mail from them saying that the whole balance would be confiscated.

Betdirect is now owned by stan james instead of 32red group.
The whole situation still remains unclear, seems that Prima/MG are STILL investigating it. MB has requested docs from me which were sent, no reply from them either.

Logically, if the cased is resolved, SJ will honor the winnings at the casino too, as far as I understand.

That`s it. Any advice/support will be appreciated.

[Casinomeister]

Word is that this player, his "girlfriend", and two others had their moneybroker accounts locked and their poker accounts closed as well.

Chip dumping.

Bye bye, Dunhill.