Hi. They accused me of fraud/colluding, while nothing like that had been done.
The thing was that a player whom I happen to know in real life lost some money to me that she owed to me in real life. There was no threat to other players or the pokerroom from these actions. The thing they are doing is stealing money from me, pure and simple. The excuse they are giving for it has no real grounds as it`s described below. T&Cs at betdirectpoker didn`t say anything about that.
If someone can help me with this, my login at betdirect is starxp
You`ll get a full picture from our correspondence:
%%%Hello.
I had a talk on the phone with you a while ago.
You asked me to repeat in e-mail what was told to you by the phone.
The reason for that quite strange game play with a player called *** was her owing me a quite significant sum of money in real life. It was decided that the debt would partly be given back by a number of means, including playing poker, as it was convenient for both of us for a number of reasons (including me prefering money on my MB account instead of cash). Playing poker in this case was not considered to be different than a transfer via moneybookers or any other system. Her game play was suspicious, I can agree on that, and even thank you for attention to player security.
During this gameplay nothing illegal or violating your T&C had been committed. I have read your terms attentively. This is not fraud or colluding whatsoever. I am a lawyer and happen to know what fraud is. In case of poker, this would be, for example, depositing from stolen credit cards or stolen electronic payment systems accounts and losing it to other player`s account. Or, another case, would be cooperating with another player (or players) when playing a 6-player table, for instance, and trying to win from individual players by taking advantage of knowing each other`s hands.
The game play between me and the mentioned player was on a two-player table, there has not been any account theft whatsoever, so this is not a case when fraud/colluding is involved. Indeed, playing online poker with a player you know in real life is fully legal as long as the things mentioned above do not take place.
Neither the poker room nor other players suffered a loss or a risk of loss because of the poker play that has taken place. Poker room collected its rake, other players did not participate as it was a 2player table. I had several hands with another player, not ***, which were just normal hands and I do not think they are of interest to you.
The funds in my account have not been gained illegally or while violating your T&C, and, while you are free to close any accounts, which is your right and property, it would be illegal to confistate funds gained while legal, though suspicious as it may seem to you, play. %%%
Their replies were
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1. Just to confirm that I have sent you explanation to our governing board.
We hope to resolve this issue for you in a timely fashion and be in touch as soon as possible.
Regards
2.
Following the investigation in to your account we now have been given the results.
As there has never been any other play on your account except for the day that you chip received we believe that it was done intentional with the knowledge of breaking the rules of the game.
It is considered a risk to us and other players to let you have your account reopen.
The matter is now closed as far as we are concerned and will not be entering into any further discussion on the matter. All related funds and your account will remain frozen.
Regards%%%
I replied:
There was no intention of breaking the game rules. I am new to poker, as is ***, and, though the T&C at your site were read attentively, there was no mention of this being prohibited.
As I have said earlier, there has been no colluding or fraud. There was no risk to you or other players as I none have been involved. You are free to close my account as long as the funds on it are returned. You have no legal reason whatsoever of confiscating them.
If you are not willing to continue this discussion, either return the funds or give me any contact info of the governing body so I can discuss this with them.
The thing was that a player whom I happen to know in real life lost some money to me that she owed to me in real life. There was no threat to other players or the pokerroom from these actions. The thing they are doing is stealing money from me, pure and simple. The excuse they are giving for it has no real grounds as it`s described below. T&Cs at betdirectpoker didn`t say anything about that.
If someone can help me with this, my login at betdirect is starxp
You`ll get a full picture from our correspondence:
%%%Hello.
I had a talk on the phone with you a while ago.
You asked me to repeat in e-mail what was told to you by the phone.
The reason for that quite strange game play with a player called *** was her owing me a quite significant sum of money in real life. It was decided that the debt would partly be given back by a number of means, including playing poker, as it was convenient for both of us for a number of reasons (including me prefering money on my MB account instead of cash). Playing poker in this case was not considered to be different than a transfer via moneybookers or any other system. Her game play was suspicious, I can agree on that, and even thank you for attention to player security.
During this gameplay nothing illegal or violating your T&C had been committed. I have read your terms attentively. This is not fraud or colluding whatsoever. I am a lawyer and happen to know what fraud is. In case of poker, this would be, for example, depositing from stolen credit cards or stolen electronic payment systems accounts and losing it to other player`s account. Or, another case, would be cooperating with another player (or players) when playing a 6-player table, for instance, and trying to win from individual players by taking advantage of knowing each other`s hands.
The game play between me and the mentioned player was on a two-player table, there has not been any account theft whatsoever, so this is not a case when fraud/colluding is involved. Indeed, playing online poker with a player you know in real life is fully legal as long as the things mentioned above do not take place.
Neither the poker room nor other players suffered a loss or a risk of loss because of the poker play that has taken place. Poker room collected its rake, other players did not participate as it was a 2player table. I had several hands with another player, not ***, which were just normal hands and I do not think they are of interest to you.
The funds in my account have not been gained illegally or while violating your T&C, and, while you are free to close any accounts, which is your right and property, it would be illegal to confistate funds gained while legal, though suspicious as it may seem to you, play. %%%
Their replies were
%%%
1. Just to confirm that I have sent you explanation to our governing board.
We hope to resolve this issue for you in a timely fashion and be in touch as soon as possible.
Regards
2.
Following the investigation in to your account we now have been given the results.
As there has never been any other play on your account except for the day that you chip received we believe that it was done intentional with the knowledge of breaking the rules of the game.
It is considered a risk to us and other players to let you have your account reopen.
The matter is now closed as far as we are concerned and will not be entering into any further discussion on the matter. All related funds and your account will remain frozen.
Regards%%%
I replied:
There was no intention of breaking the game rules. I am new to poker, as is ***, and, though the T&C at your site were read attentively, there was no mention of this being prohibited.
As I have said earlier, there has been no colluding or fraud. There was no risk to you or other players as I none have been involved. You are free to close my account as long as the funds on it are returned. You have no legal reason whatsoever of confiscating them.
If you are not willing to continue this discussion, either return the funds or give me any contact info of the governing body so I can discuss this with them.