Major Absolute Poker Issue

[Keyser]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

By calling it conspiracy theory you are implying that the probability that most pokerooms do not cheat, is almost 100%.

Your reply verifies my arguments that you forum owners are anxious to defend the reputation of online casinos and try to cover up dangerous posts and shout the mouth of those who want to expose the truth.

What "it was found" happening at Absolute is what keeps happening in all pokerooms. If it wasnt, I would play poker now instead of writing in the forums. This focusing on absolute alone implies there is no cheating elsewhere.

You will not stop the uncovering of the truth so easily. Ban me from both casinomeister and 2+2. It is a piece of cake for me to appear on greek television and be the No1 famous in Greece. The only thing I have to do is give a photocopy of my book to about 20 journalists, scientists, stc. This book reveals the reason of ageing and how to defeat it. Also, it has solved almost all the questions of physics. And I will not forget to mention the cheating of online casinos and your role in it. I have chosen not to become famous so far, for many reasons, but I think I will decide to do so sooner or later as I feel the duty to reveal my knowledge. You know where I live. I am not scared about my life because I trust God will save me. Why? Because last time my life was in danger, I shouted with all my strength and the 5.9 richter earthquake of 1999 in Athens happened.

The cheating of the casinos has really pissed me of. 5% rake should be enough for them. But no, they had to take every last penny of poor people. Some of them commited suicide. You think I will let you get away with this?
You think you have power hah? So did Hitler had power. Look at how the Law of Justice reversed the situation. God reveled the secret of the atomic bomb to the Americans. Actually, it was again the Law of Justice that gave Hitler and Germany the power they got, in the first place. He was imprisoned and kept taking orders. Germany had suffered a lot of injustice because by the other nations before the war.

The power of a nuclear bomb is a speck compared to the power of a saint. No, I am not a saint yet, but I know the way to become one.

You think I am nuts? Why should I care you think so? I wouldnt be affected even if the whole world says I am nuts. Your wise "principle of majority" crusified Christ.

So far you stubburn people, I have had enough with you. I dont care if I never post again in your forums.

Wow, what a post. All this time, although I suspected that you might be manic, I was just convinced you were stupid. But now I see there are only two possibilities:

1) You get off on pretending to be dumb to get a reaction. In that case, you are just like Saturday Night Live (ie the joke wasnt funny the first time, and it certainly isnt funny the 500th time). Please go away.

2) You really are manic depressive and need to seek medical attention. Unfortunately, manic depressives almost never have insight into their condition and resist being treated. However, if anyone here actually knows this person and his posts are serious, then please get him to a psychiatric hospital immediately before he kills himself and/or God forbid hurts others.

[pokeraddict]

IMO The Watchdog only knows the people at AP or even works there but I do not believe he is the same person as Scott Tom/Pokermachine. Go look at some of his other posts here. I believe one had to do with Dobrosoft merging with Full Tilt? Some of it was Pit Bull Poker spam. I'd bet my bankroll they know each other though as the IP issue proves.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by pokeraddict

IMO The Watchdog only knows the people at AP or even works there but I do not believe he is the same person as Scott Tom/Pokermachine.

That was pretty much the way my thoughts were going as well PA, that he wasn't necessarily Scott Tom, but that he may work there, and thus they share the same IP/network. If the Scott Tom login identity, and the Pokermachine identity, do indeed work for AP.....what are the odds that someone who doesn't work at AP would share the exact same IP?

I asked someone about this, and they said that it was unlikely that two different companies would share the same IP addy. Is that reasonable? Shared IP's within a geographic region maybe, but not a company IP.

The stuff that has been posted today over at your forum is absolutely mind boggling, at least to me. Or maybe I should say mind blowing.

[Snowman]

Once more the story evolves...
As the days pass it seems more information is gradully becoming available to confirm virtually everyones suspicions of AP but I would like to make a couple of general points. Firstly regarding lots0. Unlike a few posters to this thread I find his contributions extremely important, he is after all an affiliate of AP so therefore has a vested financial interest in seeing AP come out of this mess unscathed. I do not agree with his views but surely isn't that the point of forums such as this? Open and free debate can only be healthy. Sure, lots0 requires 'proof' but proof to his satisfaction; considering his position I don't think this is unreasonable. However, for practically everyone else it would appear that sufficient information is available to constitute 'proof' from a legal perspective. I think it's only a question of time before lots0 also becomes part of the majority and will probably become the loudest voice against AP should this happen.
Secondly the issue of revealing personal IP's to put the final nail in AP's coffin. Of course they can't be made available in a general public domain, especally as many have deposited large sums from personal accounts. This would be a hackers dream. However I'm sure an independent third party could provide the answer. This would then be definitive.
None of us want to see rogue operators tainting an industry for which we all have such a passion and the sooner they're rooted out and eliminatd the better for all concerned.
Casinomeister provide an invaluable service...absolutely invaluable. They have a reputation for both impartiality and integrity, that is why we are all members here is it not? Certainly it has it's detractors but an inconsequential minority. In many respects CM have put their reputation on the line by taking this issue so far and we know AP management use the site. Isn't it time they did the same and started to respond by using the same vehicle?

[Adanthar]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Once more the story evolves...
As the days pass it seems more information is gradully becoming available to confirm virtually everyones suspicions of AP but I would like to make a couple of general points. Firstly regarding lots0. Unlike a few posters to this thread I find his contributions extremely important, he is after all an affiliate of AP so therefore has a vested financial interest in seeing AP come out of this mess unscathed. I do not agree with his views but surely isn't that the point of forums such as this? Open and free debate can only be healthy. Sure, lots0 requires 'proof' but proof to his satisfaction; considering his position I don't think this is unreasonable. However, for practically everyone else it would appear that sufficient information is available to constitute 'proof' from a legal perspective. I think it's only a question of time before lots0 also becomes part of the majority and will probably become the loudest voice against AP should this happen.
Secondly the issue of revealing personal IP's to put the final nail in AP's coffin. Of course they can't be made available in a general public domain, especally as many have deposited large sums from personal accounts. This would be a hackers dream. However I'm sure an independent third party could provide the answer. This would then be definitive.
None of us want to see rogue operators tainting an industry for which we all have such a passion and the sooner they're rooted out and eliminatd the better for all concerned.
Casinomeister provide an invaluable service...absolutely invaluable. They have a reputation for both impartiality and integrity, that is why we are all members here is it not? Certainly it has it's detractors but an inconsequential minority. In many respects CM have put their reputation on the line by taking this issue so far and we know AP management use the site. Isn't it time they did the same and started to respond by using the same vehicle?

After my initial reaction to him, I've had the same idea, hence why I've been civil with my replies to him so far. However, there is, of course, no way I am publicly posting a file identifying dozens of table changers/observers' IP addresses and emails, lots0's assertion that IP's don't mean anything to the contrary. I don't care if 'most' IP's are dynamic - that leaves out some fraction of people playing a 1K buyin tournament with a lot of money in their accounts.

As I said, though, if you have members willing to vouch for you not being dumb enough to make the file public, I'll send anyone who requests it a copy. This is also why I've been fine all along with letting CM or any other trusted party take a look at the file. In fact, you don't have to go through me. A dozen people at 2+2/Pocketfives have it and have posted about it - if you don't like my copy, feel free to PM any of them. Some of them may even be willing to do it with no conditions attached; I'm simply not willing to be the person that exposes a bunch of innocents to a lot of risk to satisfy, at this point, one guy.

[ThodorisK]

Keyser I never pretended to be stupid. I did not pretend anything.

Who's depressed you idiot? Me that I hope to defeat ageing or you that you believe you stop existing after death? Therefore who is most optimistic and cheerful?

Oh, and your morons psychotherapists cannot heal anyone from depression, they are depressed themselves. Most people get depressed because of poverty or because they are ugly or old, and mainly because they believe they dont exist after death. Unless a cure is found for these, depression cannot be cured. You are the stupid ones who believe they can cure you.

[SlotsWizard]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

Keyser I never pretended to be stupid. I did not pretend anything.

Who's depressed you idiot? Me that I hope to defeat ageing or you that you believe you stop existing after death? Therefore who is most optimistic and cheerful?

Oh, and your morons psychotherapists cannot heal anyone from depression, they are depressed themselves. Most people get depressed because of poverty or because they are ugly or old, and mainly because they believe they dont exist after death. Unless a cure is found for these, depression cannot be cured. You are the stupid ones who believe they can cure you.

Ummmm... off-topic? Let's keep this thread about AP.

[ThodorisK]

He went first off topic. He throwed hateful personal accusations to me and I had to throw back the vomit.

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

He went first off topic. He throwed hateful personal accusations to me and I had to throw back the vomit.

Please, this is the biggest thing to probably ever happen in online poker. You have your own thread that I thought you were crazy in, can you please go rant there? Obviously some of your suspicions have come true but just because an already sleazy poker room like AP did something like this does not mean all sites do it. This is the same as saying since Casino Bar rigged their BJ game all online blackjack is rigged or saying because one guy of a certain race is a criminal all people of that race are criminals, it's ridiculous.

Please carry on your discussion about general theories in your own thread.

[lots0]

Well I just asked Adanthar for a copy of the email in question.

Just to ease Adanthar's fears, I publicly promise that I will not release any personally identifiable information to the public. I hope that is good enough.

Now I guess I can sit back and wait for the AP hand history and the email from Adanthar.

it will be good to see some evidence.