Major Absolute Poker Issue

[Zoozie]

Originally Posted by lots0

My choice is to see the evidence myself before I
condemn.

For a start you could try to open your eyes.

1 out maybe 100.000 poker players would not be convinced by just reading the hand history from the 1000$ turn let alone the
many cash games hands.

Also there is probably also 1 in 100.000 people that believe they have been probed by aliens or they can walk on water etc.

But can the hand history be trusted?Is a big hoax? Are some posters faking evidence? That would be a better path to take instead
of claiming the hand history shows nothing.


Zoozie

[pokeraddict]

Here are the email headers from the spreadsheet email given to me:

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[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by lots0

This is the entire problem... you guys just keep assuming... You see No proof .... You just assume the people telling you AP is cheating are telling the truth.

You assume they have the proof.

You assume AP is cheating... without seeing any of the evidence yourself.

You just keep assuming... That is your choice.

My choice is to see the evidence myself before I condemn.

http://casino-directory.lots0cash.com/

I was wondering why you were so adament.

Best to quit contesting, it just makes AP look worse (if possible)

It's real money people are dealing with and this should be seen as a serious matter.

There has been a breach in trust. That is conclusive.

[lojo]

Why not a voice of dissent and call for absolute proof. Lots0 never denied affiliation, freely admitted it, and gave examples of rogues s/he has kicked to the curb. I imagine when lots0 is satisfied, you will not see a louder voice condemning AP.

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by lojo

Why not a voice of dissent and call for absolute proof. Lots0 never denied affiliation, freely admitted it, and gave examples of rogues s/he has kicked to the curb. I imagine when lots0 is satisfied, you will not see a louder voice condemning AP.

AP have accidently forwarded proof (beyond reasonable doubt). What more proof is needed? The stats are clear enough, from several different sources. If AP have a case, it is them to come forward & reverse the guilty verdict.

This has damaged the entire industry & AP have let down anyone who has ever sent a player to the site. Their usual ignorance is "bliss stance" no longer washes

[lojo]

Handcuffs

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by lojo

Why not a voice of dissent and call for absolute proof. Lots0 never denied affiliation, freely admitted it, and gave examples of rogues s/he has kicked to the curb. I imagine when lots0 is satisfied, you will not see a louder voice condemning AP.

He's been wanting to see the headers and says once headers have been posted that have not been altered he will be convinced. The user just asked I delete his email which should be no big deal.

Keep in mind we are in day 4 of the breaking story and AP still has not said anything even while BW, Pocket 5's, NWP and certainly more large affiliates have blacklisted and delisted them and while the forums assume the emails are true. Wouldn't you think if this was all BS AP would have denied the legitimacy of the master hh by now?

There is so much other stuff about to go public. It will make your head spin.

[pokeraddict]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&fpart=13&vc=1

Scroll down to Adanthar's post. Amazing stuff. No wonder AP has been so quiet and their short denial. BTW Scott Tom was the one spamming 2+2 as Pokermachine. Pokermachine shared the ip with The Watchdog at 2+2. It has really blown up.

[ThodorisK]

How many times do I have to repeat this? Statistical evidence for cheating is nothing else than bad luck itself. A bad luck which had 1% to happen is a statistical evidence for cheating (of a strong degree). But even a bad luck which had 49% to happen is also a statistical evidence for cheating (of an ignorable degree).They are both statistical evidences for cheating, because the only difference between them is the degree. You might call the 1% one as evidence, the 49% one as ignorable, and a 10% one as indication and not evidence. But they are all indications of a degree.

Now, when one plays many thousands of hands, a run of an extreme bad luck is highly probable to happen. So one must consider the whole hand history of a player in a particular casino since he started playing there.

But in the case of Absolute, if I am right, some very rare bad lucks happened to more than one players, right? And they all lost by particular other "superlucky" "players". But also in this case one must take in account the whole hand history of both the winning and the losing players since they started playing there. So it is getting extremelly complicated.

But the bottom line is that we roughly know that what happened had a very small probability to happen. Now what kind of more evidence are people asking? Are they saying that what happened was just coincedental and the result of very rare but REAL bad luck? Or are they just confused of what statistical evidence is?

I have not condidered all other things such as "chip dumping" etc that happened in the case of Absolute. I guess these facts raise even higher the probability of chating than the stats by themselves.

[The Watchdog]

Why the hell am I been linked to that guy??

Really weird... at 2+2 they claimed we were the same person.

I have never used another alias at Casinomeister, eog, therx, 2+2 or pocketfives...

Anyways, I really think its quite bad what is happening with Absolute... on the other hand I really dislike tons of forum posters pretending to know about Poker security and everyone goes around analyzing hands and figures they don't even get.

Something funny is going on with these guys, don't know what though... It could be a group of professional scammers, and inside job, world war III, what ever... ONE THING IS FOR SURE... the idea of a super account is just the most paranoid and stupid idea I have ever herd.

Any ways, lets hope the people that were affected by this issue get some compensation...