Major Absolute Poker Issue

[pokeraddict]

Massive new development !!!!

http://www.pocketfives.com/445F78F0-...A96F28812.aspx

Crazymarco was the player that Potripper beat HU in the $1000 tourney where Potripper called an allin with an unimproved T9o on the turn when Crazymarco had an U/I 92o. Crazymarco asked for hh's from the final table as he could not understand many of the plays he witnessed. AP seems to have sent him a spreadsheet of every hand dealt the entire tourney including all dealt hole cards in all hands regardless of whether the player saw the flop or not. AP has claimed that there are no records of everybody's hole cards claiming this is why the cheating was impossible but the CS error proves that wrong.

At this time going into the 150/300 level reports show Potripper flopped all hands except 7. In all of those hands other players had QQ-AA. This includes Potripper flopping several of the worst possible start hands when other players were not dealt monsters.

I have not seen this file which is being parsed right now. I am relying on trusted people involved in this from the start. If this pans out AP has been caught in even more lies and this could be the proof needed to convince major poker publishers to print the story in their magazines.

Hopefully these hh's will be available to all very soon to once and for all have all the proof out there that AP has either been cheating or has allowed cheaters to operate on their site. This also catches AP in yet another lie about the capabilities of their software as they have used that as an excuse as to how this could not have happened.

I hope this all comes together very soon. If it does then IMO all sites need to stop promoting AP/UB immediately and all players need to go on an immediate boycott if they are not already. This should prove once and for all how rogue and dishonest AP is.

[pokeraddict]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&fpart=32&vc=1

Hand histories from the tourney are starting to get posted as the spreadsheet is getting translated. This is the last bit of evidence needed to hang AP.

[pokeraddict]

My last update before bed. Potripper's first 50 hands or so have been parsed. They can be seen here:

http://www.pocketfives.com/AB0A6FCE-...D3A99D2CC.aspx

Some sort of master hh for the tourney was sent by support to the 2nd place finisher in this tourney likely by mistake when the player requested the final table hh's as he suspected something was not right. AP has denied that any such thing existed in a previous post (unless I completely misunderstand their post). On top of that AP made this statement at 2+2 just a few days ago.

As a matter of Company policy, Absolute Poker never divulges personal information about our players nor do we make public any hand information that did not go to a showdown, ever.

The master hh being shared with players obviously contradits that statement. Regardless view the hands and see for yourself how ridiculous this is. AP obviously had access to the same hh's but yet drew the conclusion there was no cheating. I can't help but think that they are in on this now. I've tried to think they were just hacked. They possibly seized the funds of these players and kept it but at the very least helped cover up one of the biggest cheating gambling scandals in history.

In the end the entire tourney hh will be converted and we will all see every hand of this tourney all the way down to the infamous call with an unimproved ten high with no draws on the turn to win the tourney. I can't wait for AP to try and squirm their way out of this one now that their lies have them back even further into a corner.

IMO this story needs to be covered in all poker publications. Anybody that still promotes Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet after this does not have player's best interest in mind at all.

On top of all the other sleazy things AP has done to take advantage of players and affiliates now they will cheat or lie to help cover up at least a half million dollars of cheating. What is next?

I also have to question if AP will email this player a tourney master HH how many other times have players been given info on players that would give them an advantage in the future. Why is such an email so easily accesible for a support person and sent to a player in the first place? How many players know of a way to get this type of info emailed to them by support and have been exploiting this massive hole in AP's lack of security? This can't be a one time thing.

[I Like Pie]

goddam, not that I needed anymore proof but those hand histories are just ridiculous.

You can't really claim that the excel file is fake either cause you can just confirm the information of the hands and e-mail addresses with the other players in the tournament. This really is rock solid proof.

[lots0]

So I suppose asking to see the complete email headers and the original email from Absolute Poker is out of the question?

That would be real proof that I would accept.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by lots0

So I suppose asking to see the complete email headers and the original email from Absolute Poker is out of the question?

That would be real proof that I would accept.

That seems like a fair enough request Lots0. Did you mean emailed to you or posted, either here or on 2+2? Either way, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by lots0

So I suppose asking to see the complete email headers and the original email from Absolute Poker is out of the question?

That would be real proof that I would accept.

Go to the 2+2 thread or P5's thread and ask. Those could be forged though I guess. What you really need to do is get the hand #'s and go get the original from their software. Also people involved in these hands need to speak out and say that they were dealt the cards shown in the hh's. AP has yet to reply to my email asking them for an answer as to whether the screenshot posted is that of a master hh.

I would have a hard time believing this master hh is made up. The users claim to have the ip address and email of everybody in the MTT as it was included in the file. I'm sure more proof of it being original could be found in there.

[lots0]

I'd like to see the complete email posted to a web page for the public to view and analyze for themselves. I'll even host it, if that is problem.

After reading most all of the threads involved... I don't see how anyone can say what has been posted is proof of any kind.

Well, I guess it is if you are willing to take those two or three people that posted those "HH" word as fact...

I don't mean to disrespect these guys that have posted this stuff, but I don't know any of them. I don't know if they can be trusted or if this is just some elaborate scam against AP.

I just want to see some hard proof of any kind where I don't have to completely trust someone I never met.

[pokeraddict]

Lots, I suggest emailing AP and asking for a public response to these new hh's posted. If they either ignore you or admit it there is your proof. AP is in so far over their head there is no telling what their next move is. This would be one hell on an elaborate scam though, espcially with the emails and ip's allegedly included in the 65,000+ column spreadsheet. There is a screenshot posted, maybe AP could confirm if that is how their masters look.

[lots0]

pokeraddict: Why don't you ask your friends to post the entire email? In the name of fairness and full disclosure...

Would that not be the best way to PROVE their statements?

I find a lot of things "hard to believe", someone making up stuff like this about a poker room does not fall into that category.

AP ignoring me is not proof of anything...