Major Absolute Poker Issue

[lots0]

Maybe lots0 would like to see if pokeraddict has any independent confirmation of any of your accusations against Absolute Poker...

Maybe lots0 wants to know how people are reading opponents hands, when that information is not even transmitted from AP and the AP software you download to your hard drive is not set up to receive it, even if it were somehow transmitted???

Maybe Lots0 wants to know how you came to such bizarre conclusions based on the mathematically impossibly small data samples you are using???

They can't even treat their licensees right...

Do we have any licensees that will back up what pokeraddict is saying here? Or are these just more unproven and unjust accusations and rumors??

[GaryWatson]

I think I will agree with everyone.

80% of AP income/players come from 20% affiliates.

For talking sake, we will call it the 80/20 rule

Now there is a trust issue

For arguments sake we will call it an abuse of power.

Affiliates becoming affiliate managers and staff members. They totally anialate a site & move on to the next suckers.

Same people all the time.

Do i think there was dishonesty?

Yes, same people. Same theft, just different situation.

[GaryWatson]

To clear my last post up a bit.

It's no an AP problem, its a industry issue. It has been around a while, they have just got better at being caught.

Pokerstars taking away their stats? Difficult one but it has 2 answers.

Big question :
Why would an affiliate manager take a salary of 50K a year, when as an affiliate he could earn that in a month?

[pokeraddict]

Maybe lots0 would like to see if pokeraddict has any independent confirmation of any of your accusations against Absolute Poker...

There has been endless independant confirmation, in fact I'm just a believer, not the one making the accusations.

Maybe lots0 wants to know how people are reading opponents hands, when that information is not even transmitted from AP and the AP software you download to your hard drive is not set up to receive it, even if it were somehow transmitted???

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean the "super account" theory I'm less inclined to believe that it was hacked. With how AP has blown this I start to lean more and more that they are in on it or at least an insider. I don't know how it happened, I just know it did.

Do we have any licensees that will back up what pokeraddict is saying here? Or are these just more unproven and unjust accusations and rumors??

The fact there the skins lost a vast majority of their available games because of what AP did speaks for itself doesn't it? FWIW now UB has BBJ tables too. I can only imagine their skins don't have access to it either.

AP had to bail out a licensee by sending players to the WSOP as promised by Goal Poker when they went bust. I'm not sure if they had to pay players though. Although it is pure speculation I'm sure AP learned a good lesson there although that was under previous management which ironically owns a skin now stuck with a small % of the games they once were able ot offer their players. The whole thing is a page out of Party Poker's book. I doubt this will have the happy ending though for the skins like Party's short lived ex skin network. I can't remember what it was called.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this but I think this post at 2+2 pretty much sums it up I think.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...16&page=0&vc=1

[chuchu59]

Originally Posted by lots0

So has anyone but me had a independent math guy take a look at this so called evidence?

Did your independent Math guys laugh at the supposed evidence, like my math guy did?

If Absolute Poker software only receives and does not transmit the data of whats in your opponents hands (standard security procedure found in all online poker software), how is it possible for your opponent to read your hand information?

Please don't let the facts get in the way of your trashing AP and of making false accusations.

Pokeraddict, if your such a player advocate as you say, then why are you not the person getting the independent math person or independent programmer or any independent verification of ANY KIND to back up your accusations?

And I still believe that someone is getting paid for making these accusations...

Someone getting paid for making these accusations? I dont understand. You are constantly deriding Pokeraddict for trashing AP and not getting sufficient evidence to back his remarks but at the same time you are making such groundless statements. How would you feel if I said that you were paid to defend AP at all costs. Do I need a Math guy to prove it?

[GaryWatson]

Are AP close to being rogued? Their responses are there for all to see. That is the evidence. That is their credibility.

[peteyweestro]

either the whole online poker playing world is wrong and lotso is the right one or he is a ap shill it seems as he is so adamant they are innocent and every one else is adament they are wrong and should be out of biz

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by jetset

When it comes to continuous hype on their bad beat bonusing these guys are in your face 24/7, but it appears that when there is a problem that is of genuine concern to their customers and the industry at large they don't care to give it the courtesy of real attention and a properly considered and professional response.

UB (owned by AP) just started a BBJ today. Expect the spam to double now. Of course these same people will have no idea what you're talking about when you ask them about all the BS coming out of AP.

[jetset]

QUOTE: I also just thought of something else AP has done. It's interesting that AP did not include the skins in the Bad Beat Jackpot initiative.

This essentially destroyed the skin's businesses, not unlike what Party did to their old skins. It forced players that want access to the main player base to play on AP. What a great way to treat your business partners. Not that it is surprising, they already did the same thing ot their affiliates. UNQUOTE

Point well made, Pokeraddict!

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

Big question :
Why would an affiliate manager take a salary of 50K a year, when as an affiliate he could earn that in a month?

Affiliates who make this much are few and far between. In fact, I could probably honestly say that only a handful make this much - especially with how the affiliate market fell apart last year. A majority make a few hundred, maybe a few k a month (if they are lucky).

And I don't really see this as an affiliate issue anyway.

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

Are AP close to being rogued? Their responses are there for all to see. That is the evidence. That is their credibility.

Well, checking my inbox this morning, they haven't gotten back to me why they thought I was Mr. Wilson, nor have they shown me that they are taking this situation as serious as they should. I believe the first response from them was merely lip service.

If a casino/poker room chooses not to address serious player issues, then there is a problem here.