My Thoughts

**jod5413** · 13th April 2010, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

WagerWorks is the only software I know of who do this, but even I agree it is hard to believe the stated RTPs when their slots are emptying your pockets...

KK

That's what I'm telling ya, KK! Nobody will believe the RTP is honest unless they go to a casino and come out ahead every time, time after time. When they win you never hear them saying, "Wow, this casino is rigged, the RTP is way more than it should be. They're rogue, I'm telling ya, rogue, cuz I won"!

You guys know what I mean. You go to a slot and it is HOT, you can do no wrong and your winnings are going up, up, up!! What a rush, huh? Then the next time you go back and that same slot will not even give you a three 9's win. Over a hundred spins later on the same slot, the slot you are sure is going to turn around on the next spin or the next spin after that. Then, guess what? You are out of dough. And they're rogue I tell ya, ROGUE!!!!

Slots even at their best, will always favor the casino. If everyone would say this to themselves every time they decided to play, maybe they wouldn't get so cranky, ya think?

**silcnlayc** · 13th April 2010, 04:09 AM

Nobody will believe the RTP is honest

Unless you see it continually declining as you do here..and the griping follows ..

jod5413: Slots even at their best, will always favor the casino. If everyone would say this to themselves every time they decided to play, maybe they wouldn't get so cranky, ya think?

I guess so...but don't you find it interesting that the RTP has been lowered on slots at some casinos and this is the reason many have gotten tired of being suckered...2005 and 2009 is one of the worst offerings from Inetbet...You see why so many have been complaining lately? Hopefully it isn't worse than this...

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**jod5413** · 13th April 2010, 04:42 AM

Silcnlayc,

I really respect you and your opinion on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I personally think it is a stretch to think a couple percentage points would cause everyone to be losing all the time. I do think that the members here are just a tiny majority of players out there. I do not believe there is a big enough sample of player losses here at CM to call it fact.

I also would like to point out that there are probably a lot of players here that do not participate in the forum and do not talk about their wins or losses. I am basically one of the silent members about my casino playing. I win, I lose,sometimes I win pretty decent, I never sit and lose big, unless I get greedy. My fault, not the casino I am playing at.

Finally, I am confused. These stats in your post are misleading, I think. They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!!

My last suggestion to all of you who think it is unfair. Quit playing, seriously. All this BS about having to deposit again just to see if it is still bad. Wanting to "protect" the new members from getting burned. Come on now, I can't picture anyone buying that line. Really.

I didn't see Rob's excellent post in the thread RTG What's up -- here:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post359512

**bb28** · 13th April 2010, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by jod5413

They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!!

Ahhhhh.........that is what I was trying to question in my prior post about the table on Inetbet vs the RTP.

Thanks!

**Mavin1** · 13th April 2010, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by jod5413

Silcnlayc,

I really respect you and your opinion on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I personally think it is a stretch to think a couple percentage points would cause everyone to be losing all the time. I do think that the members here are just a tiny majority of players out there. I do not believe there is a big enough sample of player losses here at CM to call it fact.

I also would like to point out that there are probably a lot of players here that do not participate in the forum and do not talk about their wins or losses. I am basically one of the silent members about my casino playing. I win, I lose,sometimes I win pretty decent, I never sit and lose big, unless I get greedy. My fault, not the casino I am playing at.

Finally, I am confused. These stats in your post are misleading, I think. They are actual returns based on random play(i.e. historical stats). Is that the same number as the % the casino sets the payout to? I do not think it is. Hopefully, one of the much smarter members will stick their head in here and help me out. I hate math!!!

My last suggestion to all of you who think it is unfair. Quit playing, seriously. All this BS about having to deposit again just to see if it is still bad. Wanting to "protect" the new members from getting burned. Come on now, I can't picture anyone buying that line. Really. :rolleyes:

I didn't see Rob's excellent post in the thread RTG What's up -- here:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post359512

All I see is that from a certain group, you included is an attitude towards some of us members you have decided not to like. Obviously I am on your shit list and no matter what I may have to say or how I present it, you will always be critical.
As for me testing RTG again, as I stated, if I am going to discuss what I see as change, how can I, if I never give them a periodic test. The fact that I posted a thread about my testing to see how the play was for me and posted a screenshot of an irregularity that I had never seen, this warrants attitude from you? Why. If you don't like me or what I post, then why jump in, or start another thread, to see how many members are on your side because of what I and others have posted? It is attitudes like this that cause division and make members choose sides among all of us and I see no point to it at all. Or do you enjoy trying to make others look like fools and you look like a shinning beacon of bully light and enjoy derailing a thread that I had tried very hard to not piss any of you off, which obviously is impossible.
I appreciated RobWins input as it was mature and fairly concise, stating that changes like that could cause a change in the RTP up or down. This was a mature contribution to the thread.

You want to tell me to quit playing if this or if that, well I will if you will quit knit picking those of us that rub you the wrong way, everytime we have anything to say.

Or maybe I should just run everything by you first before posting to get your approval?! Would that be satisfactory to you????

**jod5413** · 13th April 2010, 06:07 AM

Mavin,

I am not a member of any group and you are not on any shit list. I don't even know you.

All I am stating is my opinion, last I looked that was allowed.

Last I heard, you are allowed to state your opinion.

I see, I started this thread to make people take sides? Sounds like a paranoid idea and you seem to be stating I should not have an opinion, just you? Surely that is not what you are saying?

I did not derail "your thread" and I have no desire to paint you or anyone else as stupid. Mavin, I'll be honest, I read lots of posts and see things and often comment on them without knowing who posted.

And last, this time I WILL quote you:

"you look like a shinning beacon of bully light" Yep, that's me, a shinning example.