Major Absolute Poker Issue

[The Watchdog]

Hi there..

jaja Mike Haven thought I was some other poster which opened another account to keep posting... My 2+2 account has not been banned.

As you can check, I use the same nick at all the following forums:

www.casinomeister.com
www.therx.com
www.majorwager.com
www.poketfives.com
www.twoplustwo.com
www.eog.com

I use to work for the industry, as a matter of fact for several poker sites in Costa Rica...

I no longer work for the industry... I just said that the idea of a super account is way too idiotic.

For those who work in the industry you will know that not even the security/fraud managers at major poker sites can see the hole cards of customers.

The only time I have seen such a thing... was like 2 years ago while testing a poker software from a Canadian company called Gametronics (which was never released).... The first version dealt all the cards faced up, but this was for rake and deck testing.

If you check my ip you will either find Sabanilla Costa Rica, or probably Rohmoser or Escazu.. so here is a list of poker sites located within the Rohmoser Escazu area

www.tropicalpoker.com
www.actionpoker.com
www.truepoker.com
www.ultimatebet.com
www.absolutepoker.com
www.pokerstars.com (not rohmoser but close)
www.betus.com
www.bodog.com (however I think they only have the sportbook here)
www.youwager.com
www.bookmaker.com
www.betcris.com

Personally, I dislike Absolute/UB... I only play at Titan Poker since I am a playtech fan...

What I felt from those posts was that probably some highrollers lost some awful hands to a donkey, and got pissed.

The possibility of collusion is always there, however to come up with the story of a SUPERUSER account...jajajaj thats just hillarious.

One other curious thing is that there are people analyzing hands which probably have never worked for fraud or security...

Trust me, is not easy... You can't imagine the things you see when reviewing 2000 hands per day in order to detect collusion or chip dumping. Some times you feel so sure fraud is happening, for later to learn the guy was just a moron giving away his money.

Having friends in security departments of companies like: Poker Host, Pokerstars, Nine.com, UB/AP, BetCRIS I tell you that fraud/security requires skill (not that I have it). But for someone to review 100 hands and determine that one player is able to see hole cards, that is just nonsense.

Once again I clarify, I am not saying that Doubledrag, Graycat, etc are not fraudulent guys... as far as I know they can be the biggest cheaters ever... But to think they have "SUPERUSER" accounts... damn.. the guys who made that theory must have been doing too much coke while playing poker..

best regards,

TW

[GaryWatson]

I Don't beleive AP. I Used to think they were legit. Not for the last 4 or 5 months.

Furthermore, all the responses are just flannel.

Let them come out the woodwork with labeled reps.

This needs to be investigated outwith AP. They have proven that BS and shills convinced many players in the past.

Ill stick to looking at hand histories.

BS answers & typical of AP staff

[Wolfskin]

lots0 you are in the Search Engine Optimization industry. You get paid by web sites for sending traffic to them. So if you post the right links in the right forums some people may click that link and you get your money.

In another thread you jump right into the discussion when the watchdog gets criticized and defend him. Isn't it astonishing that you both post just right after each other in this thread. Now I'm wondering, are these two accounts related to each other or maybe even the same person? You know all the tricks to get a pagerank up or send traffic to a site, so maybe you teamed up with someone or you use both accounts for yourself to obtain more credibility.

The Watchdog spams these forums with all kinds of suggestions of casino and poker sites like no other account and you get paid for sending traffic to sites. Isn't that a funny coincidence?

In my opinion you are really doing a good job here, now tell us more about this, because you seem to have insider information and very good connections to Absolute Entertainment and know what's going on there.

[Pinababy69]

the site being hacked has nothing to do with the pokertracker softwares functionality. In case you don't know, pokertracker stores its data locally on your hard drive so hacking the site makes no difference to it. Nothing is being added, deleted or edited database-wise.

In answer to lots0's question if I was aware of the PokerTracker website being hacked...yes I was. And even went so far as to download the software to see how it functions. And ZFitz is exactly correct...once the software is installed on your computer, there is no interaction with the website unless you "update" or patch the software. So anyone running a "clean" (for lack of a better term) version of the software installed prior to the hack should not have been affected. You simply import the hand histories supplied by the pokerroom in question into PokerTracker. You don't link to the site itself in any way. That was my take on it anyway. Some of the other poster's comments here seem to back that up.

I think the lone fact that the Poker Tracker web site has been recently hacked (the hack happened at the same time these reports started showing up) is good reason not to believe any of the Poker Tracker data posted.

None of your business if I do or don't.

The reports may have started showing up around the same time as the hack took place, but many of the hand histories and statistics in question were compiled before the hack. Additionally, as stated somewhere else, these hand histories are available directly from Absolute Poker themselves, and can be assessed on a stand alone basis, without the benefit of PokerTracker.

You are absolutely correct lots0 that it is no one's business if you play poker or not. But, if you are not a player, I could certainly understand why you would not be able to grasp this whole concept. I really think you have to play the game at least on a basic level, to really get it. I'm not sure what your motives are in insisting that nothing shady went on. You don't even seem to agree on the chip dumping part of it..and that has nothing to do with PokerTracker. I just get the feeling that maybe you don't play the game, and thus can't see how obvious it all is. It is not just sour grapes.

As other posters have stated, hand histories are indeed considered proof when trying to prove or disprove theories of cheating. Hand histories are used by pokerrooms themselves as evidence.

The hack *did not* happen at the same time. I have a hand history of a hole card cam user winning the Absolute 1K on 8/23. The PT hack did not happen until about a week ago, and when it did, no files were altered, especially not on my system, which currently contains about 1K hands from various people. All of these hands are not even PT compatible, so in order to prove cheating, I have to look at them manually, but they are there and will be emailed to anyone on request.

In fact, we have a staggering amount of proof completely unrelated to PT. In addition to all of the NL hands and limit hands whose *summaries* are in PT, we have Payup's (the 8/23 winner) final table HH from two different sources at the FT with him, including the second place finisher; we also have some of Potripper's (the 9/13 winner) HH from two sources and a lot more of it from one. Again, the formatting on these files is messed up and they have never been imported into PT, but I received them from the affected players, who in turn got them directly from AP support.

Again, we have a *staggering* amount of proof that is not at all related to Poker Tracker - it's hard to read, but it's all there, and the hand history numbers are requestable from AP support (better hurry up if you want to see the 8/23 ones, though - they only keep them for a month.) I don't know if you have any kind of agenda since there's already been one AP shill trying to discredit me in this thread, but if you do not, by all means email them or myself and ask for HH copies; they will be provided.

Excellent post Adanthar, and it validates what I thought last night when I was trying to assess the role that PokerTracker may or may not have played in this.

So far - no response, which I find alarming.

I'll begin to look into this. I have a lot on my plate at the moment, but this issue seems serious enough to warn the gaming community on what's going on. Something isn't quite right here. If Absolute Poker is not willing to provide the gaming community with a thorough explanation about what is happening, then what are players supposed to do??

Very alarming, but typical. And yeah, what are players supposed to do? I hope that you can pry some sort of official reply out of them.

Source thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...e#Post11782063

A shill poster for Absolute Poker with a username of Potslammer, and a cheating account at Absolute Poker with a username of Potripper. Total coincidence I'm sure, but couldn't resist mentioning it. Still might be fun to compare those two IP's, lol.

[The Watchdog]

I read some place that Potripper is also the name of a hacking tool...

jajaja that makes things just worse.

If these guys were working together... the hell with them I say. But I just enjoy too much how paranoid people are thinking of superuser accounts.

Be wise, .. if you had a "superuser" account... would you be such an idiot by letting yourself get caught?? At least I wouldn't .. I would be the most relaxed player ever....

For me is simple...collusion or just a moron playing with luck. Forget the fairy tales out there

[GaryWatson]

jajaja your response makes things just worse.

I thanked you on behalf of AP

[lots0]

You are absolutely correct lots0 that it is no one's business if you play poker or not.

Just for you Pinababy69... Yes I do play poker, but only for small stakes. Try as I might, I'm not very good, but I still like playing.

I currently have one of my guys going over the PT software, I don't know yet if the software 'phones home' regularly or not till I hear back from him on what he found.

All I ask for is some proof and point out that what some are calling proof is not and I get attacked and flamed over and over again by the drive by flamers... Cool... .... Must mean I am pissing in someones beer.

I'm still waiting for just a little proof... Just a little, one small piece of evidence that can not be explained away by those pesky facts some of you are avoiding at all costs.

[GaryWatson]

I'm still waiting for just a little proof... Just a little, one small piece of evidence that can not be explained away by those pesky facts some of you are avoiding at all costs.

Without going into boring hand histories....

Absolute Poker has state-of-the-art algorithms and software in place to immediately identify any fraudulent or unscrupulous activities. Aside from just the algorithms, activity on Absolute Poker watched for by a full time team of professionals, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Now IMO, the hand histories warranted action IMMEDIATELY. It never happened. That is fact.

[GaryWatson]

What is being monitored. The play money tables?

[lots0]

the hand histories warranted action IMMEDIATELY. It never happened. That is fact.

So you know for a fact and can prove that Absolute Poker took no action whatsoever immediately on becoming aware of the accusations and having been provided the hand histories involved?

You can prove that AP did not start the investigation process or take any other action at all on becoming aware of these accusations?

Cool lets see your proof of this so called "fact".

Maybe it would be better to say that you BELIEVE AP took no action...