Major Absolute Poker Issue

[SlotsWizard]

I'm confused, why would the cheats be dumping chips?

To try to make it look like they aren't cheaters who never lose.

But an infinite aggression factor is, for all intents and purposes, impossible, so the chip-dumping is too little too late.

For Absolute Poker to not do or say anything about this speaks volumes about their credibility.

[pokeraddict]

I started this thread since I'm sure many don't read the poker complaints forums. Here is the first thread at CM about this.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...stakes-ap.html

I'm confused, why would the cheats be dumping chips?

Also in case they get caught cheating it may be another way to get the money out.

[winbig]

all of 1 and 2c are damning enough....I'm glad I closed my account there months ago.

[gerilege]

I couldn't read all the threads, but two questions came to my mind:
Why the hacked PT explanation was not discussed further? I recall that the PT site was hacked, and I trojan with a PT patch could explain the hole cards.
Would not a 100% VPIP player be destined to lose even in case he knows all of his 5 opponents' hole cards? I think it's a close one because of his implied odds and rebluff calls and raises, but still, against 5 opponents playing correctly, he can't hit his hands that often... And since almost all 6max pots are raised/reraised preflop, he should lose enough equity preflop to compensate cases when both he and his opponents miss the flop/turn (or he hits third pair when his opponent misses). I guess those are the cases in limit holdem when he could use his knowledge...

[GaryWatson]

AP's response

Hi All,

Thank you for your patience in this urgent issue.

Let me start off by stating in 100% confidence that, fair play and security is of paramount importance to Absolute Poker. We have temporarily frozen accounts that have been brought to our attention while we perform an extensive investigation.

While we are continuing with our investigation, we have yet to find any evidence of wrong doing. Our game client only receives data regarding the individuals hand and no other players hole cards, except in the event of a showdown.

The player’s and their respective actions that are in question, all come from a small sample of Hands. We have researched their play exhaustively and have found no proof that they had any knowledge of other player’s hole cards.

There were hands that were played poorly -- from a poker strategy perspective -- and these players did receive a fortunate result.
So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.

Because of the seriousness of these allegations, we have not closed the investigation and are continuing to look very closely into this matter.We will notify you if we obtain any new information regarding these claims.

Kindest Regards,
Danielle

Im not going to bother questioning it. Im sure the high stakes players will work it out among themselves whether or not they can trust the site, time will tell but I'll use that as my indication.

[jetset]

Looks as if this issue is starting to hit the news.....


http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2007/9/...-superuser.htm

[GaryWatson]

pokernews is just a website, rehashing what is coming from the forums. Now if it was a public statement coming from a gaming commission or something I would take note

[lots0]

Gary, Thanks for posting that letter from Absolute Poker.

There were some on this board that acted like AP was ignoring these accusations. Most of us knew that was not true.

I do think your correct, that the high stakes Players will sort this out themselves, after all it is their money.

Side Note: I am more concerned that Absolute Poker is allowing Poker Tracker (Poker Grabber), what I consider to be poker "cheating programs" to have access to the hand history's at AP. This is something that I believe needs to end immediately, for the benefit of ALL online players.

Or

If AP does not want to restrict access to poker tracker, then it should clearly provide the information on its front page or sign up page that this type of software is available (for a price) and that AP allows it's use FOR ALL PLAYERS.

[jetset]

pokernews is just a website, rehashing what is coming from the forums. Now if it was a public statement coming from a gaming commission or something I would take note

I fear you may be missing the point here, and that is that this issue is now breaking out of the fora and into the news, which is a significant development.

And it would appear from the content of the report that Absolute Poker have issued a statement of sorts, and that an investigation is continuing.

I think they may have to do better than that as this report gathers momentum.

[lots0]

I have to agree with Gary here, that UK Pokernews is really not a news provider and that article was NOT written using the JOURNALISTIC CODE that has been adopted by news agencies and Journalists since the end of the 2nd World War.

And having two threads on the same subject is very very annoying...

The other thread has has a response from Absolute Poker.

Maybe the reason it is spreading is there are is at least one person that has decided to spread this rumor everywhere online gamblers hang out. Kinda like chicken little, running around yelling that the sky is falling.