Major Absolute Poker Issue

[KellyBlend]

The victims can submit a formal complaint to the Commission or have the matter addressed and resolved throught the Kahnawake Communal Arbitration Procedure according to Sec. 198 ff. of the Kahnawake Gaming Regulations. Isn´t this the correct way and the only chance to clear up this case?

[lots0]

I haven't heard anything about anyone contacting The Kahnawake Gaming Commission. Has anyone done this yet and has anyone had a response from them?

I e-mailed them twice about this issue and they have not responded to either of my e-mails.

Maybe you should email Stephen Harper (Canada's current Prime Minister) as well, you'd have a better chance of getting a response from him... (sarcasm)

Seriously:
So just what is there to respond too?

Why should the KGC (or anyone) respond to a few accusations that don't hold up after close independent examination...





Regulations enacted by the Kahnawá:ke Gaming Commission

(please Note the bolded area at the bottom of the quote)

Complaints and dispute
resolution process
198. All Authorised Client Providers must make adequate provision for
receiving and addressing any complaints, including the provision of an
appropriate dispute resolution process. The dispute resolution process
must include an opportunity for the complainant to have recourse to the
Commission or to the Kahnawá:ke Communal Arbitration Procedure.
Records of complaints 199. All Authorised Client Providers must maintain adequate records of all
complaints and disputes it receives and such records must be provided
to the Commission in a timely fashion.
Commission’s logo must be
displayed
200. The Commission's logo must be prominently displayed on the
Authorised Client Provider's website, hyper-linked to the Commission’s
email address, with a notification that complaints may be addressed
directly to the Commission.
Complaints to Commission 201. Any person who is not satisfied with the manner in which his or her
complaint has been addressed by an Authorised Client Provider, or who
prefers to make his or her complaint directly to the Commission, may
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submit the complaint to the Commission or have the matter addressed
and resolved through the Kahnawá:ke Communal Arbitration Procedure.
Kahnawá:ke Communal
Arbitration Procedure
202. In the event a person elects to have his or her complaint addressed and
resolved through the Kahnawá:ke Communal Arbitration Procedure:
(a) both the complainant and the relevant Authorised Client
Provider must participate fully and in good faith in the processes
set out in the Kahnawá:ke Communal Arbitration Procedure;
(b) the resolution that is reached by through the Kahnawá:ke
Communal Arbitration Procedure is final and binding on both
the parties and the Commission; and
(c) the Commission will not inquire into, hear or otherwise make
any decision in relation to the complaint.
Result of proceeding 203. The Commission is entitled to receive written notice from one or both of
the parties to a proceeding under the Kahnawá:ke Communal Arbitration
Procedure, of the result of such proceeding.
Form of complaints 204. A complaint must be in writing and must contain clear and unequivocal
information about the complainant’s identity, and provide all the relevant
details that gave rise to the complaint and the steps that were taken to
address the complaint with the Authorised Client Provider.
Investigations 205. As soon as practicable after a complaint is received, the Commission
will inquire into the substance of the complaint and will undertake such
investigations as may be required under the circumstances.
Details of complaints 206. Unless the Commission in its sole discretion directs otherwise, the
details of all complaints, including the identity of the complainant, will be
provided to the Authorised Client Provider against which the complaint is
made for response.
Response to complaint 207. The Authorised Client Provider must provide to the Commission a full
and detailed response to the complaint within seven (7) days, or such
other time as the Commission may direct.
Additional information 208. To assist in the resolution of a complaint, the Commission may request
additional information from the complainant, the Authorised Client
Provider or any third person, including an Approved Agent.
Decision 209. After its investigations of a complaint are complete, the Commission will:
(a) dismiss the complaint as unfounded;
(b) uphold the complaint in whole or in part;
(c) direct a Authorised Client Provider to take any steps the
Commission may, in its sole discretion, deem necessary to
resolve the complaint;
(d) direct a Authorised Client Provider to pay the costs incurred by
the Commission in its investigation of the complaint; or
(e) issue any other directions or take any other steps as the
Commission, in its sole discretion, deem appropriate under the
circumstances.
Vexatious complaints 210. Notwithstanding any of provision of this Part, the Commission may
dismiss a complaint without an inquiry or investigation if the
Commission, in its sole discretion, is satisfied that a complaint is on its
face vexatious, unfounded or does not fall within the Commission’s
scope of authority.

[Casinomeister]

What I am concerned about is the apparent aloofness of the poker room. These are very serious issues and the poker room has not responded satisfactorily:

http://www.casinomeister.com/webcast/index.php
http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n...lute_poker.php

[lots0]

What I am concerned about is the apparent aloofness of the poker room. These are very serious issues and the poker room has not responded satisfactorily

I agree CM.
AP has not been acting as I (or you) believe they should in this matter.

To be honest, I am not even getting any kind of a response from them about this threw my personal affiliate channels. Which tells me, that upper management has told everyone to keep very very quiet on this issue.

What I believe is happening is that AP management is hoping (and praying) that this will all blow over. I think AP's management believes that if they respond in anyway it will hurt them more than they have already been hurt...

Just look how bad and incompetent they appeared because of the emails you already received from them in response to your inquiries about these accusations.

[I Like Pie]

Maybe you should email Stephen Harper (Canada's current Prime Minister) as well, you'd have a better chance of getting a response from him... (sarcasm)

Seriously:
So just what is there to respond too?

Why should the KGC (or anyone) respond to a few accusations that don't hold up after close independent examination...

Quit it already, your gimmick is getting old.

[chuchu59]

Quit it already, your gimmick is getting old.

I think he's getting the point. See the post above.

[lots0]

Quit it already, your gimmick is getting old.

Ya, I know pointing out that these accusations have no bases in fact is getting old.

I am still waiting for anyone to provide any evidence at all to support these accusations that can't be discounted/discredited by an independent examination by an expert.

I think he's getting the point. See the post above.

Hmmm... If your point is that I now agree with you that AP has/had superuser accounts that could read opponents hands.... I don't.
The whole idea is just silly and easily dis proven by an examination of the AP client you have on your hard drive (if you don't know how too, you can ask any good programmer to do it for you).

I have yet to see evidence that the so called "Chip Dumping" is anything more than someone with more money than sense gone on tilt.

Do I believe AP's management has handled this in about the worst possible way they could... you bet I do.

[GaryWatson]

I agree CM.
AP has not been acting as I (or you) believe they should in this matter.

To be honest, I am not even getting any kind of a response from them about this threw my personal affiliate channels. Which tells me, that upper management has told everyone to keep very very quiet on this issue.

What I believe is happening is that AP management is hoping (and praying) that this will all blow over. I think AP's management believes that if they respond in anyway it will hurt them more than they have already been hurt...

Just look how bad and incompetent they appeared because of the emails you already received from them in response to your inquiries about these accusations.

I agree.

Beyond all the accusations the answer lies in the hand histories.

Affiliates either refuse to acknowledge, or offer support to AP in the fear of losing income.

Reputable players come out and complain with a decent amount of evidence. It is ignored in the hope that it will fade away?????

Yes, this will die and be forgotten in small stakes but the big fish wont go near unless AP takes their heads out of their asses

[lots0]

Affiliates either refuse to acknowledge, or offer support to AP in the fear of losing income.

Being an affiliate has nothing to do my voicing my opinion.

I was making five figures a month from Casino Rewards... Before I Rogued them and dropped them like a bad habit. I also gave up at least four figures a month in residual income from CR as well.

I Rogued Cpays after I made $23,000+ from them in the first six months of the year...

Money is NOT the most important thing in the world (at least to me).

[jinnia]

I am, or was an affiliate of AP, they are gone from my sites.

And about a 'superuser', doubtful. With almost complete silence
from AP, I believe they were involved.

'And it's not a case of bots or collusion; it's both - when bots collude, they do so more cleverly than humans. Programmers can seat multiple bots on the same table(s) and have them read each other's cards via a third-party server.'

Don't poker rooms scan players computers for suspicious running programs??

Was it a 'player' using bots, or AP themself?