Major Absolute Poker Issue

[kakata]

nice to have you back Pina

[pokeraddict]

No response to fact by chipleader staff has ever been worth reading. Quite litterally they have been scamming all but a select few.

Correct they are in house marketers for AP/UB. Since they took over they have changed the formula for MGR from contributed to dealt, even on existing players. They have also taken a 5% "service charge" on all US players to cover deposit fees, regardless of whether your player deposits or not, even on players signed up before the change. There have been endless accusations by affiliates of getting shorted by them and one very large affiliate (Pokerlistings) stopped promoting AP/UB because they feel they have been cheated.

[lots0]

The rumors, innuendo and down right lies just never stops does it?

Pokeraddict you keep saying over and over that AP needs to "prove to you" and "convince you"....

So just who the hell DO YOU THINK YOU ARE and who made you the poker god that everyone needs to please?

You don't even play at Absolute Poker, so just what is your concern with this? Are you getting paid by Bodog to trash their competition?

All I see in this thread are a bunch of unproven accusations and down right lies about Absolute Poker.

The math guy (a grad student) I had look at your so called proof was laughing at the idea that anyone could come to ANY definite conclusion given the data samples offered.

So how hard is it to get a Math major with a minor in Statistics that never player poker (you know someone independent) to go over your "data"?

Your data is crap and so are your accusations.

Bryan how much longer are you going to allow these false accusations, with no proof to back them up to be spewed here?

[I Like Pie]

[BBC Z]

Pokeraddict you keep saying over and over that AP needs to "prove to you" and "convince you"....

Pokeraddict is speaking for every single person that plays on-line poker. We all want to know what is going on, and the information coming from Absolute poker itself is insufficient (at best).

[pokeraddict]

Pokeraddict is speaking for every single person that plays on-line poker. We all want to know what is going on, and the information coming from Absolute poker itself is insufficient (at best).

Exactly. I'm not sure what you're quoting of mine but I speak with the same sentiment that virtually everybody that has read the evidence feels. I am a very interested industry observer. Why wouldn't I be? This is my livelihood.

Are you getting paid by Bodog to trash their competition?

This is just ridiculous. For the record I've never been an affiliate before for any poker room, casino or sportsbook, not now not ever. I have not even worked in the industry for almost a year. I believe earlier though you admitted you were an Absolute affiliate. Am I wrong about that? It would make total sense and if I'm wrong I apologize. Your post in other threads certainly leads me to believe something is up. In the thread below this you lash out on somebody that posted a complaint about AP even after they came back and posted everything was resolved. WHY?????

The rumors, innuendo and down right lies just never stops does it?

Yes, but maybe eventually AP will come clean though.

Lot0, I'm sorry you disagree with all the proof you have been shown. I'm sure if you understood poker and PT you would been enlightened, you choose to have your opinion and you are very entitled to it. If you feel it is made up then I've told you how to go about getting hh's and analyzing them yourself. You have not done so and yet you still sit here and insult those of us pressuring AP to do the right thing and getting the word out. Insulting me like I have some agenda is not going to change anything.

What is so funny is that you are insulting somebody that has been a neutral player advocate (Go research all the things I did when I owned Rakerebatereview.com) like I am some shill. I've protected endless players from getting screwed and to this day I am still just as neutral continuing on the RRR tradition in its absence modding the rakeback forum at 2+2. The only agenda I have is the truth from a site that will not even acknowledge the chip dumping you don't seem to think was any big deal. The only difference in wanting rakeback affiliates to be honest and poker rooms to be honest is that the poker room has a much higher standard to uphold, one that AP is nowhere near doing.

Keep on posting and sharing your opinion but please do not insult me with your ridiculous accusations. I'm about as big of a poker player advocate as there is. In fact I've been warning players about AP for about 9 months as they have gone down a very dishonest road in 2007. If AP is not pressured by the online poker community to do the right then they will not. I don't believe they will ever do anything about it anyway. It's certainly in their best interest to do nothing.

[satchmo]

I dont agree with any side, but what has been presented so far, is only mathematical proven facts of impossibilities in the random factor, and chip dumping.

Under the past day's i have read much about this, and the community think something fishy is going on. Likewise if this was a real criminal case, all the evidence would be presented from both sides, all would be analyzed by professional people.

I know there are alot of people with real high knowledge that has looked into this case so far, and if they think something is not correct about the whole deal. Then the community listen and agrees couse the only real evidence so far in this case, is presented by the community itself, and not by 1 or 2 person's.

I still would like to see he counterpart in this case come wit ha solid fact that proves otherwise. It is very important that they do that, so the community can decide if there is anything wrong in the case.
And why do you think that, well it is for a fact that all the online casino and poker sites are companys, they make money, on those who places wagers there.
As we have seen both here at the Meister and other forums, people listen and avoids the places that have proven facts that something fishy is going on with them. Just like ordinary companies all false accusations can be devestating to the survival of the company, we have seen this happen before. We have also strong customer support (affiliates and so on) that will deny that the company have done anything wrong.

So far in this case i have seen 3 parts, the company that is doing nothing directly to prove that nothing is going on. The Knowledge people hat provides facts and evidence so far. And the people that will rack the facts.

I have been getting all the infor from the community that sayes something fishy is going on. The evidence i can check both mathematical and by other ways to comfirm facts.

What i would like to is to see the counterparts come up with some real evidence that can be tested in the same way. Not only speaking but give me real facts that can be proven mathematical and so on.

O.J case anyone??????

Satchmo the man the myth the working class hero

[Casinomeister]

The rumors, innuendo and down right lies just never stops does it?

Pokeraddict you keep saying over and over that AP needs to "prove to you" and "convince you"....

So just who the hell DO YOU THINK YOU ARE and who made you the poker god that everyone needs to please?

You don't even play at Absolute Poker, so just what is your concern with this? Are you getting paid by Bodog to trash their competition?

All I see in this thread are a bunch of unproven accusations and down right lies about Absolute Poker.

The math guy (a grad student) I had look at your so called proof was laughing at the idea that anyone could come to ANY definite conclusion given the data samples offered.

So how hard is it to get a Math major with a minor in Statistics that never player poker (you know someone independent) to go over your "data"?

Your data is crap and so are your accusations.

Bryan how much longer are you going to allow these false accusations, with no proof to back them up to be spewed here?

I wouldn't say that anyone is lying here - as far as we know. The players are presenting as much material as possible for public scrutiny - and the poker room has indicated that they are investigating this. Why get so emotional about the whole thing? That's really not necessary.

BTW, I have faith in Poker Addicts judgement calls. I've been in contact with him over the past few years and have even met the guy in person. I wouldn't classify him as a raving loon.

I also know three "professional" mathematicians (two are members of this board) who would probably be more than happy to go over whatever data needs to be gone through.

I'll let this thread go on as long as it takes to come up with some definite answers - just so long as it doesn't spiral into a slamfest. @ everyone in general - please be cool.

[I Like Pie]

Are the accounts of these 5 players still locked/frozen? Because they seem to have concluded that they have done nothing wrong so there would be no reason to keep their accounts locked up. Or are they locking accounts of innocent players now?

[pokeraddict]

Are the accounts of these 5 players still locked/frozen? Because they seem to have concluded that they have done nothing wrong so there would be no reason to keep their accounts locked up. Or are they locking accounts of innocent players now?

I was wondering this too. Obviously as virtually everybody knew AP would try to sweep this under the capret, even failing to acknowledge obvious chip dumping. Now they have told a victim they are no longer investigating it and there was nothing wrong. So what is the deal?

The cheating accounts obviously knew the issue was out in the open. If they were innocent wouldn't they be posting hh's that AP should have been posting to clear themselves if this was really all bs? Wouldn't they have been complaining about getting their accounts locked? about being accused? Obviously they knew what was up.

Now where are these accounts? I'm sure if new player names appear it would immediately arouse suspicion. Did AP unlock these accounts and change their names? Did they tell them not to play? Did these silent players with hundreds of thousands of dollars locked up decide on their own to leave?

Now that AP has decided to ignore this it is becoming hard to believe they had no involvement at all. As mentioned in another thread today Full Tilt made refunds to players that had funds stolen, Poker Stars does this all the time. Why would AP not do it and go on to say there was not even chip dumping?

BTW a domain has been bought by a 2+2 poster with the intent of posting all of this evidence with the hopes it can catch more mainstream and search engine attention. AP needs to know this isn't going away.