Virtual casino

[zizacon]

Hello!
I read the article here at casinomeister about Virtual Casino. And I got the impression that they have become better. What do you think? Is it posible to trust them nowdays?

 

[jonevegas]

Ya you can trust them like you can trust Preachers, Politicians, and Policemen.

 

[zizacon]

Will they PAY?

 

[The Dude]

If you join one of their casinos, please keep in mind their terms and conditions that limit payouts. There are plenty of other casinos that don't do this.

 

[lanidar]

Hello!
I read the article here at casinomeister about Virtual Casino. And I got the impression that they have become better. What do you think? Is it posible to trust them nowdays?

zizacon...check this out!
Then...
STAY AWAY!!!

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[suzecat]

I have always been paid by Virtual Casino.

 

[KasinoKing]

You have to remember when depositing at any RTG or other 'dodgy' site, that you are not only gambling on the turn of the cards, the throw of the dice and the spin of the wheel, but also with the risk you may have problems, delays, or even refusal of your withdrawal request, even if you meet their T&C's.

Many of these sites have very attractive looking bonus offers, so it's understandable that people are tempted. I have even tried a few myself in the past (including Virtual!), but I accepted the above risks when doing so.
I haven't been ripped off yet (touch wood), but then I've never won very much. I would be very worried about getting paid if I won a substantial sum...

 

[zizacon]

Yes, I know about the risks, ofcourse it would be alot safer to play on other casinos. BUT as people say, their bonusoffers are tempting and since I have allways got paid by Cirrus, which one here considered as rouge, I really don't think they wouldn't pay me. At least you ought to get your deposit back anyways, and then you know where not to play anymore.

So considering the risks, how are Virtual casino compared to Cirrus and betroyal?..From what I know no one is listed as Evil. And Virtual changed to the better from what I understood from an article here on casinomeister.

 

[zizacon]

If you join one of their casinos, please keep in mind their terms and conditions that limit payouts. There are plenty of other casinos that don't do this.

I know that from Cirrus casino, It's sad, but from what I have experienced on the bonusoffers from Cirrus, (and got paid) I don't mind waiting a few weeks

 

[lanidar]

zizacon...
So considering the risks, how are Virtual casino compared to Cirrus and betroyal?..

They are ALL part of the Virual Casino Group​

 

[nafanny29]

Zizacon there are 1000s of casinos online. Why risk putting money into one that has knowingly screwed lots of players.

Yes the bonuses are tempting but $1000000 bonus with 1 time playthrough is worthless if they aint gonna pay you.

 

[lanidar]

Thank you Nafanny29.
That is precisely my sentiment exactly.
I couldn't have said it better myself.​

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[zizacon]

Zizacon there are 1000s of casinos online. Why risk putting money into one that has knowingly screwed lots of players.

Yes the bonuses are tempting but $1000000 bonus with 1 time playthrough is worthless if they aint gonna pay you.

The point is, if you haven't got it yet, That They acctually have paid me at CIRRUS which is in the same group. And actually none is listed, from what I know, as an Evil casino, then what's the problem? People are obviously getting their money allthough you can't withdraw it all at the same time, but hey, who cares, I still earn so much on their generous bonus offers as long as they continue having them.

 

[lanidar]

The point is, if you haven't got it yet, That They acctually have paid me at CIRRUS which is in the same group. And actually none is listed, from what I know, as an Evil casino, then what's the problem? People are obviously getting their money allthough you can't withdraw it all at the same time, but hey, who cares, I still earn so much on their generous bonus offers as long as they continue having them.

I got your point zizacon.
Good for you....you got paid.
Not many other people have gotten paid.
Good luck to you with any future deposits you may make there.

We all have our opinions regarding The Virtual Group.

 

[scrollock]

I got your point zizacon.
Good for you....you got paid.
Not many other people have gotten paid.
Good luck to you with any future deposits you may make there.

We all have our opinions regarding The Virtual Group.

Lanidar, dont bother, this person wants to play there no matter what, so lets just leave him to it.

no doubt we will see him in the complaints forum soon with a complaint similar to jurgent at moment (hes from sweden aswell, coincidence ?)

zizacom as for people being paid there, its well known fact that this group spam all the boards with people "claiming" they been paid and are reputable. or is that what you are doing? seems funny how the people who always claim virtual & partners are reputable always have posting figure in single digits.

 

[phynqster]

scrollock,
I take offence to the reply that Virtual spammed the boards with players claiming to be paid. I can assure you that over the last two years there was never ever spamming like that. In fact I encouraged players not to post, because of the way they would be treated by certain forum members. You would be suprised by the number of forum members here who were paid, they just don't post every time they get paid from a casino. Other experienced members of the forum here who have triple digits in posts, might have never even played at Virtual, because they are veterens of reading the history of events there, so they have no bases to post. In no way is this post meant to recomend Virtual, just to disclose a mis belief.

 

[scrollock]

scrollock,
I take offence to the reply that Virtual spammed the boards with players claiming to be paid. I can assure you that over the last two years there was never ever spamming like that. In fact I encouraged players not to post, because of the way they would be treated by certain forum members. You would be suprised by the number of forum members here who were paid, they just don't post every time they get paid from a casino. Other experienced members of the forum here who have triple digits in posts, might have never even played at Virtual, because they are veterens of reading the history of events there, so they have no bases to post. In no way is this post meant to recomend Virtual, just to disclose a mis belief.

Hi phyngster! (formerly known as virtual ted) how you been?

what about virtual staff spamming the boards???

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but their again, i cant really accuse you of spamming the board as that board is OWNED by virtual.

but the best bit about that board, was how their use to be loads of posts up on it, typical thread would be "excellent new bonus" and the opening post would be a typical virtual/cool cat/cirrus/prism offer, next ten posts would be, "deposited $50, cashed out $1000, excellent bonus, excellent staff, fast payers, would definitly play there again", after that would come all the horror stories.

since i highlighted this board some time back, i see that a lot of the incrimating posts have gone, but anyone who seen them at the time could you confirm that what i am saying is true.

while your here ted, could you answer me these allegations i made in this thread

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/search

 

[caruso]

Hi phyngster! (formerly known as virtual ted) how you been?

This is nonsense. Virtual Ted is no longer an employee of Virtual since he moved back to the USA, and has no reason to post anything on behalf of Virtual. The above poster signed up a year ago, well before Ted left and stopped posting. There is obviously no connection.

For all Virtual's faults, Ted did a good job there. He's also been answering questions on aspects of the inner workings of casinos and his role at Virtual for some time now on the "Sucks" board. Contact him there if you want, he's entirely responsive.

 

[lanidar]

what about virtual staff spamming the boards???

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but their again, i cant really accuse you of spamming the board as that board is OWNED by virtual.

The link that I attached on Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:42 pm at Casino Surfers thread was NOT working.
So, I made the following post there:

The above links do NOT seem to be working.
Here is a NEW link that has been updated!
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Thanks scrollock :notworthy

 

[lanidar]

This is nonsense. Virtual Ted is no longer an employee of Virtual since he moved back to the USA, and has no reason to post anything on behalf of Virtual. The above poster signed up a year ago, well before Ted left and stopped posting. There is obviously no connection.

For all Virtual's faults, Ted did a good job there. He's also been answering questions on aspects of the inner workings of casinos and his role at Virtual for some time now on the "Sucks" board. Contact him there if you want, he's entirely responsive.

I completely agree with caruso.
Ted has moved back to the USA and has no affiliations whatsoever The Virtual Group.

While Ted was with Virtual, he and I did have our disagreements.
Now that Ted is no longer an employee of Virtual's, he and I have PM' d one another and made amends to the extent that we are extremely cordial toward one another.
Ted really is a very nice person and I'm very happy that he and I get along famously.

Good luck Ted upon your new endeavor.

 

[phynqster]

Caruso and Lanidar,
I am Virtual Ted, sorry for the confusion, I changed back to my original meister name. Good Catch. I have no affiliation with Virtual or any other on line casino. I was just confirming on the time period I was there. Scrollock I will check what links you are speaking about and get back to you later on. I am off to the movies now.

 

[phynqster]

Scrollock,
I checked the site that you had in question. Yes that site was built by Virtual, but it was built for an affiliate. As I have said before They own 1000's of domain names and hundreds of unused site's. Remember one of them was offered to Lanidar. I have no idea if the affiliate is still taking care of that site, or if it has gone back to Virtual. I posted on that site when it was originally released , but since there was almost no traffic I never really went back there. I never saw any positive posts by players about their experience there. In fact I saw more posts by Lanidar condoneing the casino.
Again I was only speaking to the fact that while I was there we did not practice spamming the boards producing winning stories of made up players.

 

[caruso]

OK, foot taken out of mouth. I suppose a closer read of your post should have revealed that.

Either way, how extremely confusing.

 

[zizacon]

Exuse the language at the following post..

You stupid fools obviously don't understand what I'm asking for here. You claim that people don't get paid at the Virtual group. Well I have heard that ten times now, can you back it up with something, or maybe I can't read english properly (at least not spell it, obviously from Sweden). However, I Haven't seen Cirrus, virtual or Coolcat listed as rouge or Evil anywhere, which was the point here. Personally I couldn't care less if they spam around or not, sure non professional, but all I want is getting paid here. Get the point? I also read an article here on Casinomeister that said Virtual had become better, maybe they WERE rouge, but not listed as it anymore at least. As the creator of the thread I would like us to stick to the subject.

OT: What does Virtual TED has to do with this anyway?

OT2: Does Sweden have a bad reputation? I know Denmark has, but hey that's not the same country.

 

[scrollock]

Exuse the language at the following post..

You stupid fools obviously don't understand what I'm asking for here. You claim that people don't get paid at the Virtual group. Well I have heard that ten times now, can you back it up with something, or maybe I can't read english properly (at least not spell it, obviously from Sweden). However, I Haven't seen Cirrus, virtual or Coolcat listed as rouge or Evil anywhere, which was the point here. Personally I couldn't care less if they spam around or not, sure non professional, but all I want is getting paid here. Get the point? I also read an article here on Casinomeister that said Virtual had become better, maybe they WERE rouge, but not listed as it anymore at least. As the creator of the thread I would like us to stick to the subject.

OT: What does Virtual TED has to do with this anyway?

while i dont doubt that people are paid by this group, many people have long established realtionships with this firm and never had a problem. their does seem to be a problem when it comes to honouring bonuses.

i guess that is the point of this thread ziacom? you've seen the nice large genrous bonuses they offer with nice easy WR's, yes?

and youve become overwhelmed with a great sense of greed?, have a large at jurgents complaint about cirrus.

hes from sweden aswell, do you know him ?

simple fact is, if your bonus hunting with this group, its unlikely that you will come away with a profit.

ziacom, i'm not trying to be critical of you, but really am trying to do you a favour. as i said there is a guy in the complaints section now who seems that he had exactly the same attitude as you before he played there, hes now been screwed.

as for rogue argument/not recommened argument, which he used aswell, simple way i read CM's listings are.

EVIL/ROGUED- you will never see your money again-regardless

NOT RECOMMEDED- you bonus hunt, be grateful you get your deposit back

RECCOMDED- all payments will be honoured unless you are trying to defraud them

 

[jinnia]

Caruso and Lanidar,
I am Virtual Ted, sorry for the confusion, I changed back to my original meister name. Good Catch. I have no affiliation with Virtual or any other on line casino. I was just confirming on the time period I was there. Scrollock I will check what links you are speaking about and get back to you later on. I am off to the movies now.

Sorry boys! Everyone should have known that --

Hi Ted, how are ya doing?

 

[lanidar]

Exuse the language at the following post..

You stupid fools obviously don't understand what I'm asking for here. You claim that people don't get paid at the Virtual group. Well I have heard that ten times now, can you back it up with something, or maybe I can't read english properly (at least not spell it, obviously from Sweden).

You're RIGHT! You can't read english properly!

However, I Haven't seen Cirrus, virtual or Coolcat listed as rouge or Evil anywhere, which was the point here.

Look at Casinomeisters list, which I copy/pasted below.

Personally I couldn't care less if they spam around or not, sure non professional, but all I want is getting paid here. Get the point? I also read an article here on Casinomeister that said Virtual had become better, maybe they WERE rouge, but not listed as it anymore at least. As the creator of the thread I would like us to stick to the subject.

Not Recommended Casinos
The "Not Recommended" casinos are just that, they are casinos that are not recommended because of substandard customer service, poor support, bad bonus terms, and questionable business practices. Simply stated - these are casinos that you should avoid until they have corrected these malfunctions.
Casino Software Provider Licensing Jurisdiction Reason
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casino1x2 Diamond Games Belize Too many complaints
Cirrus Casino RTG Costa Rica Goofy-ass payment plan
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Playanddeal Unknown Costa Rica Deceptive advertising.

ZIZACON...You stupid fool, obviously don't understand what I'm saying here.
Now...can you read that OK?

 

[The Dude]

Exuse the language at the following post..

You stupid fools obviously don't understand what I'm asking for here...

Mellow out on the name calling. It is not tolerated here.

You need to read up on the "rogue" section itself. It explains what everything means there.

I would not recommend playing at these casinos unless you read their terms and conditions very carefully. They have stipulations for their payouts that many players glance over - but never really read.

Also, if you run into problems - there isn't much you can do about it except to lodge a complaint at Montana disputes. Christine at Cirrus is usually pretty helpful until you start badmouthing her. VirtualTed no longer works at the Virtual casino Group - but I have direct access to their general manager. Cool Cat - never dealt with them.

Anyway, the warning is there - not recommended. Now you tell me something: are you going to come back here looking for help if you run into problems at these places?

 

[The Dude]

ZIZACON...You stupid fool, obviously don't understand what I'm saying here.
Now...can you read that OK?

Be mellow please.

 

[lanidar]

Be mellow please.

DONE!
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[zizacon]

Mellow out on the name calling. It is not tolerated here.

You need to read up on the "rogue" section itself. It explains what everything means there.

I would not recommend playing at these casinos unless you read their terms and conditions very carefully. They have stipulations for their payouts that many players glance over - but never really read.

Also, if you run into problems - there isn't much you can do about it except to lodge a complaint at Montana disputes. Christine at Cirrus is usually pretty helpful until you start badmouthing her. VirtualTed no longer works at the Virtual casino Group - but I have direct access to their general manager. Cool Cat - never dealt with them.

Anyway, the warning is there - not recommended. Now you tell me something: are you going to come back here looking for help if you run into problems at these places?

I came here to evaluate the risks of Virtual group. I haven't recived anything helpful till now, thank you by the way. And I now about the weekly payouts. Since you are in the business of complaints. What makes you put he Cirrus casino on the not recomended list?
I have also talked to Christine, lovely lady by the way . Since I will answer your question later in this post, I would very much like you to answer one for me now. IF something goes wrong, I know that they may be unvilling to pay me a bonus, and I could take that even if it's very unfair to do after you have given someone a bonus. Although if they keep the deposit as well, then something got to be very wrong.
My question is simple, are there a serious possibility for that to happen? Have it happened to anyone playing there before, and I know some casinos keep the deposit fot a while, but here we are talking about never paying it back.

Now for your question: I don't know, On one hand I got the warning, and obviously I should blame myself. On the other hand though you help with casinoissues, right? And I haven't done anything wrong at the casino, I follow the rules. But if they refuse while it comes to payment, then something is very wrong, is'nt it?

 

[suzecat]

Hummmmm

This is an interesting thread with an even more interesting "Marquis de Sade" approach to requests for information from players. Zizacon, perhaps the most useful advice I could give you is to indeed mellow out--especially around casino operators, webmasters and the like. You may not have optimal results by addressing someone as a "stupid fool" and then, by the way, say hey do you have any information to give me about............???

CM you gotta start charging for the PABs. Perhaps then people would realize what an extraordinary service you are providing, instead of assuming you are available for a free bashing.

Oh well, just one "stupid fool's" opinion.

 

[zizacon]

This is an interesting thread with an even more interesting "Marquis de Sade" approach to requests for information from players. Zizacon, perhaps the most useful advice I could give you is to indeed mellow out--especially around casino operators, webmasters and the like. You may not have optimal results by addressing someone as a "stupid fool" and then, by the way, say hey do you have any information to give me about............???

CM you gotta start charging for the PABs. Perhaps then people would realize what an extraordinary service you are providing, instead of assuming you are available for a free bashing.

Oh well, just one "stupid fool's" opinion.

I just want one answer, that's what this thread is all about. People say page up and page down, don't go there don't do that, others say: "hey I allways get paid, no problem at all" Nobody can back it up at all. Sure after a while I got half an answer "Not recomended". , after beeing a little bit rude, appologising for that, by the way, which I also did in the post . But I'm not the only one beeing rude here..
However, back to the point "Not recomended" nobody bother telling why... Casinons can be out of recomendation for many things, and often smaller issues, like bad advertising, otherwise websites tend to name them rouge or Evil, which I could take, obviously Swedish

However I would very much want to know what you CM (since you obviously are very much in to the business) Know about Cirrus and virtual casino.On what grounds they are on the "non recomended list" and if someone ever has lost his deposit there (not beeing paid on a requested withdraw) on what grounds and what I could do about it if I would end up in such a situation. Is it realistic to belive that to happen, sure they could refuse paying you the bonus, but the deposit...

Then I wont bother you with more stupid questions.

 

[The Dude]

I just want one answer, that's what this thread is all about. People say page up and page down, don't go there don't do that, others say: "hey I allways get paid, no problem at all" Nobody can back it up at all. Sure after a while I got half an answer "Not recomended". , after beeing a little bit rude, appologising for that, by the way, which I also did in the post . But I'm not the only one beeing rude here..
However, back to the point "Not recomended" nobody bother telling why... Casinons can be out of recomendation for many things, and often smaller issues, like bad advertising, otherwise websites tend to name them rouge or Evil, which I could take, obviously Swedish

However I would very much want to know what you CM (since you obviously are very much in to the business) Know about Cirrus and virtual casino.On what grounds they are on the "non recomended list" and if someone ever has lost his deposit there (not beeing paid on a requested withdraw) on what grounds and what I could do about it if I would end up in such a situation. Is it realistic to belive that to happen, sure they could refuse paying you the bonus, but the deposit...

Then I wont bother you with more stupid questions.

Hi zizacon,

Read this please:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Also read the terms and conditions for the Virtual Casinos:
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The issue with Virtual is that there are limits to bonus payouts and there have been players that were not aware of this. I don't think it's a very good program.

If you have any problems with these casinos feel free to contact Montana Disputes:
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[schankwart]

Virtual.... I do not know why there is still anymore tada about this joint at all...?

I was trying to stay out off this thread but then... Could not hold my breath anymore when I got the email below from them a few days ago:

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This makes me want to BARFBARFBARF!

 

[zizacon]

Hi zizacon,

Read this please:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Also read the terms and conditions for the Virtual Casinos:
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The issue with Virtual is that there are limits to bonus payouts and there have been players that were not aware of this. I don't think it's a very good program.

If you have any problems with these casinos feel free to contact Montana Disputes:
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Hello again, first of all, thanks very much for your answer. I know I said I wouldn't bother you more, but I just wanted to check I undestood one thing in your answer.

I read the pages you linked to. And as you said Virtual isn't recomeded for their bonus program, right? From what I understood this was the same issue with Cirrus, obviously in the same casinogroup.
I'm fully aware of this, and just wanted to check if there is anything else, apart from bad advertising that you could complain about them. I mean have you ever had a case where they didn't pay custumers, thats my main worry. I have very hard to belive they wouldn't at least pay the original deposit back, no matter what happens, ofcourse not if you loose it gambling, I mean after a requested cashout. I would be very happy to hear your oppinion on that issue.
Thanks for all help..

 

[jonevegas]

I would be very happy to hear your oppinion on that issue.

Opinions dont answer questions, facts do. You could debate opinions all day long. Here is your answer. Deposit your money, use the bonus, play and then try to cashout, base your answers on what happens next.

 

[schankwart]

^I sure would NOT recommend that at all!!! (wurgh)

 

[jonevegas]

I would not either but the post seems to be going into senseless arguments.

 

[schankwart]

I got yer message, JoneV. -just had a very strong urge to add my dough somehow.

 

[zizacon]

Opinions dont answer questions, facts do. You could debate opinions all day long. Here is your answer. Deposit your money, use the bonus, play and then try to cashout, base your answers on what happens next.

The ting is, they have actually paid so far without problem. However no one recomends the place. But on what basis, that's what's intresting. Are you familiar with a case where the customer haven't got his deposit back, that's the issue here. I thought the CM might have such information if it exist. Speculations are irrelevant if you can't back them up with something, as I think the CM could do, since this is what he do, help people with bad casinos...

 

[phynqster]

Ziacon,
I DO NOT think you understand how a forum works or what Bryans job is. They are not an insurance policy for you if you have a problem with a casino. Bryan tries his best to EDUCATE players about certain casinos he knows about, and having acute members of the forum chime in with there feelings if they are genuine and not hearsay. To ask someones opinion, than go against it, but say will you still help me is asinine. I find this forum highly informative for those reasons, as long as the players post their stories and not what they have heard in the past. Also remember you are gambling and therefore a gambler so always take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[scrollock]

Ziacon,
I DO NOT think you understand how a forum works or what Bryans job is. They are not an insurance policy for you if you have a problem with a casino. Bryan tries his best to EDUCATE players about certain casinos he knows about, and having acute members of the forum chime in with there feelings if they are genuine and not hearsay. To ask someones opinion, than go against it, but say will you still help me is asinine. I find this forum highly informative for those reasons, as long as the players post their stories and not what they have heard in the past. Also remember you are gambling and therefore a gambler so always take everything with a grain of salt.

i think ted somes it up perfectly, this forum isnt an insurance policy.

 

[The Dude]

...Bryan tries his best to EDUCATE players about certain casinos he knows about...

Exactly. I am providing information, and I try to allow the visitor to come up with their own opinions, conclusions, etc. I also give my opinions, and one opinion is this: The bottom line is NOT whether a casino pays or not. I have heard this many times from casinos who get tossed to the rogues "but we pay our players." Paying players is not the litmus test (it's a factor, but it's not the ONLY one). The ability for a casino to provide safety and security for the players is. I don't feel that players are "secure" when they are paid in payments for winnings. There have been numerous reports of delayed payments and related hassles, and I'm sure I spelled all this out for you. Go ahead and deposit you money there. But if you win big, and you have to wait a month or so to get paid out, don't come sniveling to me.

 

[zizacon]

Have I ever said this is an insurrance. I don't know what the problem is really. I asked a direct question. During certain circumstanses, the most important thing for me is to get paid, I can wait. Therefore I wanted to know if there have been cases in the past where they actually haven't paid.
Now if pepole have a problem with that you don't have to bother posting on this thread anymay.
I asked for CM.'s opinion yes, because I thought he could back it up with something, as no one else have done yet. It's not an inssurance, NO, but as
I said, I want to be able to evalutae the risks of not getting paid. That's the whole purpose of the thread. And if it never has happened before, then the risk should be preatty small.