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[thelawnet]

Hi. Does anyone know whether these casinos are related/reputable?

Betmax, Betnetclub and Blast 21 all claim to be part of Cyber Betting of Dorking, UK.

Meanwhile, Slot Fever, Vegas Lucky and Vegas Magic all claim to be part of Cyber Gaming, also of Dorking Surrey.

The casinos have a link at the foot of their websites to the same processor (which they say owns and is ecash provider). This website also links Vegas Frontier, which is a Doleplex/Crystal Palace casino (but the website only links this one, not the other Crystal Palace casinos)

My understanding is that the Crystal Palace group is somewhat dubious. Unfortunately the rogue page from April describing the linked casinos in this group has been deleted so I can't check there.

There are also persistent suggestions that Palace of Chance is related to these six casinos. In turn Palace of Chance is in the same group as Club Player, so if it is related so is this.

Finally, again there are suggestions of connections between these casinos and Casino Extreme, which I believe has a pretty poor reputation as well.

So can anyone clear up the links between this bunch and suggest whether they are reputable or not?

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

Hi. Does anyone know whether these casinos are related/reputable?

Betmax, Betnetclub and Blast 21 all claim to be part of Cyber Betting of Dorking, UK.

Meanwhile, Slot Fever, Vegas Lucky and Vegas Magic all claim to be part of Cyber Gaming, also of Dorking Surrey.

The casinos have a link at the foot of their websites to the same processor (which they say owns and is ecash provider). This website also links Vegas Frontier, which is a Doleplex/Crystal Palace casino (but the website only links this one, not the other Crystal Palace casinos)

My understanding is that the Crystal Palace group is somewhat dubious. Unfortunately the rogue page from April describing the linked casinos in this group has been deleted so I can't check there.

There are also persistent suggestions that Palace of Chance is related to these six casinos. In turn Palace of Chance is in the same group as Club Player, so if it is related so is this.

Finally, again there are suggestions of connections between these casinos and Casino Extreme, which I believe has a pretty poor reputation as well.

So can anyone clear up the links between this bunch and suggest whether they are reputable or not?

and then, it appears these all link back to American Grand, which is listed as rogue.

This is what Crystal Palace says:

Promotional offers are not available to any players who have been
locked out of any of our sister casinos including (but not restricted
to): High Rollers Lounge, Cleopatras-Casino, American Grand, Golden
Nile, Lucky Coin, Lucky Pyramid, Royal Circus and Vegas Frontier

The 'not restricted to' leaves things open.

So then Royal Circus, Lucky Coin, Lucky Pyramid, Golden Nile, American Grand are all rogue casinos.

And then Crystal Palace says it is the same operation, so must be rogue as well? (still not sure why rogue listing page is 404, not indiciating whether this group has cleared up its act or what the story is)

And thence the casinos I listed above are also dubious....

[tunisianswife]

I can only tell you that when I get email promos from Vegas Lucky, I also get similar ones from Vegas Magic.

As far as reputation goes, I play at VLucky often and my cashouts are never refused/delayed. Any withdrawals under $500 don't require all the faxback forms, just a player verification form signed. They work with you on the faxback forms, as I had a problem with signature being legible on my drivers license. Their support is very friendly and helpful. I have managed to cash out several times there over $1000 and the waiting period between time of cashout and back into neteller was 13 hours, 24 hours, and 3 days. (3 seperate cashouts)

I have cashed out at Casino Extreme. Their flushing of account back into Neteller is almost instant once you phone or email.

example: I called their friendly support to request my withdrawal to be processed and asked how long it would take. The CS rep told me, "just give me a few seconds". I ended our phone conversation, logged into my Neteller immediately thereafter, and the money was there! Impressive. They also don't require faxback forms if using Neteller.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

...And then Crystal Palace says it is the same operation, so must be rogue as well? (still not sure why rogue listing page is 404, not indiciating whether this group has cleared up its act or what the story is)...

Seek and you will find:
http://www.casinomeister.com/operators.html
Oliver_Curran is still a member here. All of the Doloplex casinos are listed there - always have been. The 404 you're getting is from moving files around when I reloaded the site.

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by casinomeister

Seek and you will find:
http://www.casinomeister.com/operators.html
Oliver_Curran is still a member here. All of the Doloplex casinos are listed there - always have been. The 404 you're getting is from moving files around when I reloaded the site.

Ok. But I'm looking for this page http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/crystalpalace.html

This was mentioned in one of the April newsletters. It's also linked from a few pages.

I would expect to see it linked somewhere on the evil casinos page, either as a rogue, or 'under observation', as the virtual group and grand banks are.

Is there somewhere I can find this page now?

[johnsteed]

the law net

Finally, again there are suggestions of connections between these casinos and Casino Extreme, which I believe has a pretty poor reputation as well.

tunisianswife

I have cashed out at Casino Extreme. Their flushing of account back into Neteller is almost instant once you phone or email.

example: I called their friendly support to request my withdrawal to be processed and asked how long it would take. The CS rep told me, "just give me a few seconds". I ended our phone conversation, logged into my Neteller immediately thereafter, and the money was there! Impressive. They also don't require faxback forms if using Neteller.

I only deposited $20 there about a week ago, testing it out for myself, and I cashed-out $200. I made a call as well, and same here, the money was transfered back to my account in moments (on the weekend). I only tried this casino (with hesitation because it's an RTG casino, and the sign-in page looks like some kind of nasty '80s porn) based on what I read in what of the threads here about the quickest payouts on the net. I also got a follow-up from their PR manager Martin Carrera, and I'm happy to see more casino's taking more of the "32Red approach" to dealing with the customer. IOW, emailing the customer directly, and really trying to find out the customers needs. I still think Pat Harrison is the king of casino reps! I generally go to 32Red, RoxyPalace, Ladbrokes, but I can include Casino Extreme in that group as well.

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

Hi. Does anyone know whether these casinos are related/reputable?

Betmax, Betnetclub and Blast 21 all claim to be part of Cyber Betting of Dorking, UK.

Meanwhile, Slot Fever, Vegas Lucky and Vegas Magic all claim to be part of Cyber Gaming, also of Dorking Surrey.

The casinos have a link at the foot of their websites to the same processor (which they say owns and is ecash provider). This website also links Vegas Frontier, which is a Doleplex/Crystal Palace casino (but the website only links this one, not the other Crystal Palace casinos)

My understanding is that the Crystal Palace group is somewhat dubious. Unfortunately the rogue page from April describing the linked casinos in this group has been deleted so I can't check there.

There are also persistent suggestions that Palace of Chance is related to these six casinos. In turn Palace of Chance is in the same group as Club Player, so if it is related so is this.

Finally, again there are suggestions of connections between these casinos and Casino Extreme, which I believe has a pretty poor reputation as well.

So can anyone clear up the links between this bunch and suggest whether they are reputable or not?

I have just checked Palace of Chance, and it says 'powered by Cool Cat Casino', which is a Virtual/Cirrus Casino, so it looks Palace of Chance and Club Player belong wit this group

[KasinoKing]

Why this enquiry in the first place?
I take it all the casino's mentioned above are RTG and 'a bit dodgy'.
Just avoid them all - there's plenty more decent ones about!

As a matter of balance - I played at a few of these years ago, and though I had to wait a long time for some payouts, I never actually got ripped-off by any of them.
However, I will never again knowingly sign up to any casino that asks for fax-back forms & personal info as seems the norm at RTG operations. I still can not fathom out why they do this - I can't recall EVER being asked for this at about 80 other casinos using different software.
It's just utter bollox!

[thelawnet]

So this one made me laugh

Palace of Chance has a 100% to $777 bonus. WR is 30 * $777 on slots.

Ok, if you like slots.

But get this (http://www.palaceofchance.com/rules_promo.php):

You may cash out a maximum amount of $77.7

Ha ha ha ha.

Otherwise known as the 'give us $700 bonus with absolutely no chance of winning anything'

[johnsteed]

KasinoKing

However, I will never again knowingly sign up to any casino that asks for fax-back forms & personal info as seems the norm at RTG operations. I still can not fathom out why they do this...

Ditto here. Prior to my recent cash-out by Casino Extreme, I'd only managed to get money out of BreakAway Casino and (gulp!!!) the now defunct and forever rogued Destination Poker (at least, I think it's now defunct). I can go through a list of other RTG casino's with the BS faxback-form nonsense, but aside from maybe Bodog casino (if you can actually win ), I think that Casino Extreme is the only one wherein if you use NeTeller (as tunisianswife stated earlier), that information is good enough (which should be the standard at ALL online casino's).