Immortal Romance slots suddenly turns very cold for me, anyone notice that?

[Seventh777]

Most likely the last reel is just really long, at least in my experience I hit a scatter on reel 1 a lot more often than other reels, so even if the last reel has 3 scatters there could be a smaller chance for one of those to hit. Just speculation at this point anyway until someone bothers mapping the reels, but I find it a lot more likely you were just unlucky compared to MG cheating in some way. It does take a pretty insane amount of samples to figure out if a 1/100,000 chance happens as often as it is supposed to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, that the slot I by far play the most on is still the only slot I have yet to hit 5 scatters on, even though (reflected by the return to bet size ratio) a lot of the others are harder to hit.

[Nifty29]

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, that the slot I by far play the most on is still the only slot I have yet to hit 5 scatters on, even though (reflected by the return to bet size ratio) a lot of the others are harder to hit.

A couple of thoughts.

1. I'm not sure that opinions are relevant when it comes to mathematics. Even if an event has odds of 75000-1 it doesn't mean it will definitely happen in 75000 spins. It might not happen at all, or it might happen 3 times. It might take 220000 spins to hit....and you might hit it twice more in the next 5000 spins, in which case that would be 3 times in 225000 spins which is an average of 1 in 75000 spins I.e. absolutely normal. I know nobody likes to hear it, but it may well be that you have been unlucky.....just as someone was probably very lucky and hit it in the first session they played. The payoff for a combination doesn't always equate to the chances of hitting it....it mostly does but not always. Sometimes some payoffs are reduced and others increased compared to actual chances of hitting, to make the slot more attractive etc.

2. It could be possible that this combo is deliberately made tougher to get due to the whole gold paytable thing. Considering some casinos are giving $1000 for the achievement, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Seventh777]

A couple of thoughts.

1. I'm not sure that opinions are relevant when it comes to mathematics. Even if an event has odds of 75000-1 it doesn't mean it will definitely happen in 75000 spins. It might not happen at all, or it might happen 3 times. It might take 220000 spins to hit....and you might hit it twice more in the next 5000 spins, in which case that would be 3 times in 225000 spins which is an average of 1 in 75000 spins I.e. absolutely normal. I know nobody likes to hear it, but it may well be that you have been unlucky.....just as someone was probably very lucky and hit it in the first session they played. The payoff for a combination doesn't always equate to the chances of hitting it....it mostly does but not always. Sometimes some payoffs are reduced and others increased compared to actual chances of hitting, to make the slot more attractive etc.

2. It could be possible that this combo is deliberately made tougher to get due to the whole gold paytable thing. Considering some casinos are giving $1000 for the achievement, it wouldn't surprise me.

I know exactly what you are saying regarding the maths, is it just me that has been unlucky with the 5 scatters?, I regularly browse the screenies section and the only 5 scatters on TSII I can recall were by Pianoman quite recently, on the other hand there are at least two screenies from IR for the same hit, which TSII has a 19 month head start on.

In regards to number 2 I think you are very near the answer here, I know I keep relating to other slots, but, BDBA pays x 833 bet for x5wilds/sapphires, TSII pays x 200 bet for 5 scatters, I have hit the BDBA soft jackpot 21 times at 10-11 casinos, but never once have I hit 5 scatters on TSII.

[KasinoKing]

Also possible the reel is weighted.
This is not new for MG.
I have no proof, so just my feel on IR.

From all previous research I am aware of, the only "weighing" on this type of video slot is achieved by having longer reel strips on some reels than on others.
It seems unlikely that MG would change this method of design, because there is simply no need to.
I also have no proof!
(For Immortal Romance)

KK

[spiderlegz]

I actually realise I put an extra zero in there I.e. should read 50k.

Regardless, you say if its random you cannot achieve an 80% RTP? Its very unlikely i grant you, but it is not impossible.

Saying it is impossible is saying it isn't random....true randomness can produce all kinds of whacky results. You can't have it both ways.

If there are 5 million.combinations on a slot, having an 80% RTP after 500k spins (10% max of possible combinations) is certainly possible.

It would be over 10 standard deviations from mean so "impossible" if the game is random. That would mean that the software is rigged/non-random.

Also possible the reel is weighted.

This is not new for MG.

I have no proof, so just my feel on IR.

The whole slöt is "weighted".

[Nifty29]

It would be over 10 standard deviations from mean so "impossible" if the game is random. That would mean that the software is rigged/non-random.




The whole slöt is "weighted".

If an event is random, anything is possible.

Likely...well that's another matter, but we aren't talking about likely.

It is possible to flip a coin 50 times and get heads every time. In fact, even 500 times.

You can talk about deviations and probabilities, but we are talking about possible. I didn't say anything about anything else.

[plasticnote]

I have played both TS2 and IR since they came out, the trigger chance of free spins is just not-feel-right.
No Proof.

[Rusty]

There is definitely unnatural weighting regarding the feature trigger chance IMO. That seems pretty obvious when you have played only a few thousand spins even. It just seems you get 2 scatters without triggering the feature a disproportionate number of times.

Earlier I played it on min bet and raced through $60 without a trigger and hit the random bonus for 15c and during all that time I had 2 scatters (various combos and I think the reel strip lengths are not massively different though the 1st and 3rd reel seems shorter) at least 30 times.
Also you can hit the scatter on the 1st reel many consecutive spins and other times it wont appear for long periods.

All that said when I did hit the free spins I got my first decent win off this slot with a nice red lady combo paying $90+ so over 300xbet.

Like I say the return is probably in line with other slots and fair in that context but like all online slots the variance does not seem natural and weighting seems to exist.

BTW.
I always point out that 3 reel slots are known to be weighted for a fact so I'm not sure why people have such trouble with the concept of weighted 5 reel slots.

[shahran84]

Wow, you all have gone to mathematical calculations, but i thought the topic here is whether Immortal Romance has turns cold,
so does it still turns cold these few days? I just played ONLY Immortal Romance slot yesterday, deposit $50 and cashout $1200.
How about others ?

[plasticnote]

Wow, you all have gone to mathematical calculations, but i thought the topic here is whether Immortal Romance has turns cold,
so does it still turns cold these few days? I just played ONLY Immortal Romance slot yesterday, deposit $50 and cashout $1200.
How about others ?

Good on you and hope you keep winning...
For me it is still cold like ice.

My bet size is $3 or $6. And I got lucky today, deposited $550 and with bonus it is $700, see the bonus twice and no wild vine feature at all.

One bonus paid 120 and another paid 75... no math

Cheers