Since online casinos are computers and computers can be programmed...

[X-Raided]

Discussions like this almost always crop up as a direct result of someone having bad luck or losing their shirt. I don't remember seeing one start because someone believed they were winning more than they should.

Beautifully said.

It's totally human nature to think this way.

The same people who believe that someone at an online casino is watching their
game play and setting their RTP to a lower setting are the same people looking
out their blinds at night when they hear a car pass by. IMO

[labeled]

Beautifully said.

It's totally human nature to think this way.

The same people who believe that someone at an online casino is watching their
game play and setting their RTP to a lower setting are the same people looking
out their blinds at night when they hear a car pass by. IMO

I disagree and believe it's a bit over the top and naive to blindly trust any casino. The rogue list is there for a reason, and that reason is that behind every casino operation are people. And while some of us believe that people are basically good... there are exceptions.

[X-Raided]

I disagree and believe it's a bit over the top and naive to blindly trust any casino. The rogue list is there for a reason, and that reason is that behind every casino operation are people. And while some of us believe that people are basically good... there are exceptions.

Who said anything about having COMPLETE trust in ALL online casinos? One should have a bit of trust in who your dumping
hard earned cash in to, (CM accredited list). The diligence has already been made for the player if your following the CM
site.

Now, my statement pertains to a person who loses their deposit and believes in the tinfoil hat theory rather than swallowing
their losses. You could have donated your "$50" deposit to a kid's cancer research fundraiser but you decided to deposit at an
online casino for your entertainment purposes. You shouldn't run and cry rigged when you lose that "$50" IMO... Especially at an accredited
site. Get it?

[klara1968]

Is'nt it logical to believe that a non profit casino will close his gates very fast, if online players like us will win and win and win...
Casinos that pay more than their profit, will shut down and all the online gambling casinos will vanish.If we want to keep on playing online than we must admit- it will happen only if most of us will keep on losing...

SAD BUT TRUE

[LHofsdal]

I think it all comes down to each individual player and what they believe. One player could be having the worst luck, no cashouts in months, no playtime, no features etc. etc. Then you have another player who is consistantly cashing out, getting big wins lots of playtime and lots of features.

So the player that is winning comes here and posts the screen shots, tells how much they deposited and how much they cashed out. Another player has a problem, could be anything, like cashout denied for some reason. They come here and post their side of the story, and BAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Now the player who is having the bad luck knows this place is rigged. A whole new thread is started and many people speculate things that are not true and they truely believe it is the truth. Nothing is going to change their minds, not even the mods coming an posting the real legitamate reason their withdrawal was denied. Could be because they have mutliple accounts, they have used someone elses credit card etc. etc.

It is all how each player perceives the casino they are playing at. Many CM members here are in love with 3dice, others are not so keen on them. Many players here are in love with MG casinos, certain labels and other here are not. No matter what is said if someone truely believes something, no one or not any facts are likely to change their minds. The OP stated that these were things he/she was thinking about, they never said that they believed it and they did give a pretty damn good example of how things can be manipulated.

Another member was also 100% correct when they said it only take 1 rogue operator to make many people distrust them and that platform. I really think that some of these establishments do more harm by not responding to PMs, not repsonding to player issues that are posted here or at any other forum, and doing other shady things like the Betfair fiasco then trying to manipulate their software. I truely don't think that most members put 100% of their trust into any 1 casino, but do trust them enough to continue playing.

The members here that in the USA have been hit with many things this years, and with all the changes that were made for the US players it is understandable that some don't trust a single casino. The BS that is given as excuses sometimes make my mouth fall wide open, but it really come downs to how each player is treated and the options that are available to them. Like Max said it is possible but not probable, and I think he is right on that one.

Just my 2 cents.

LH

[gloria460]

There's also been proof provided of rigged software in some casinos and yet these places are still up and running. It doesn't mean a player had bad luck just because they start a thread asking questions about casino behavior regarding software.

There's a rogue pit for a reason and some of the rogued casinos are in there for cheating software.

[BMWSTACK]

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, anyone who even REMOTELY believes that any such activities MIGHT take place in online casinos, and proceeds to spend even a penny at one, is saying something about themselves.

Thanks for all the response and there are some good ones. The quote above from Nifty has been said a few times by different memebres. When writing the thread I knew that it was going to come up often, but it was already becoming very wordy so I did not address it then.

There are plenty of things in life that we know are bad or may be bad, but we continue to do them, its human nature. We know smoking is bad, but companies continue to produce them and people continue to smoke them. Artificial sweeteners may cause cancer, but we continue to use them. Continuing to use and do things that are bad I guess "could say something about themselves." I believe it says that as human beings we are flawed, and because we are given the power of choice most people will not go thru life making all the right decisions.

I myself enjoy discussing and thinking of conspiracies and things that happen or could happen in the world. This thread is certainly one of those discussions. Now I will not drive myself paranoid, but I will get focused on certain things and am entertained discussing such things.

I have enjoyed the responses and in my mind I am seeing basically people go two ways: 1) It is technically possible and maybe bad casinos would do some things but good casino's wouldnt risk such things 2) "I dont want to think about these things". I myself only play accredited casinos, so I do put the faith in the fact that they would not dare mess with their reputation by doing such things, but with my original post I utilized shaving .25 cents a few times from a vending machince as an illustration of how profits could be increased by creating such a small error.

Let me ask this, do all accredited casinos put a random back in the machine if someone hits it on a free chip or bonus with a max cashout? I think I have seen where actually very few casino's actually apply the random back to the machine, so I will continue on with the point. Is not applying a Random back a blatant act of increasing profits and doing the players wrong? I myself believe so. Those randoms could go months, and they are shared on multiple games. You could have people playing for periods of time trying to hit the random and then poof someone hits on a max cashout free chip, and noone gets paid. If a casino makes a move in public such as that what else could be taking place? (and yes I continue to play , and I do smoke and know its bad for me)

[Nifty29]

There's also been proof provided of rigged software in some casinos and yet these places are still up and running. It doesn't mean a player had bad luck just because they start a thread asking questions about casino behavior regarding software.

There's a rogue pit for a reason and some of the rogued casinos are in there for cheating software.

Sorry.....quick question....are you referring to the BLR Tech software with cheating craps? Or another one?

[gloria460]

Sorry.....quick question....are you referring to the BLR Tech software with cheating craps? Or another one?

Remember the one with jhv..I believe those were his initials and the blackjack felt. What about the double pears that vinyl and other people exposed that gave the casino an unfair advantage. Also with the poker scandals that caused millions of dollars to be lost by players and of course the craps issue. Casinos stating that depositors are using systems to take unfair advantage of the game. If it's random, how can that be possible? In fact, they are stating their software is not random and can be manipulated.

If multiple casinos can be thrown in the rogue pit regarding their behavior in paying players don't you think that these same operators would have no qualms in having the software adjusted to their benefit?

No one really knows the answer to these questions but I rather just go to a B&M and not wonder if I'm not getting a fair game or if I'm going to be paid.

[newjam]

As the financial crises grips harder it would be a great feature from the casino's point of to to able to tweak RTP to offset losses due to lower liquidity. I would love to know what goes on between operators and software providers.