I believe that Club World runs their casino at the lowest RTP

[LHofsdal]

Guys, I'm just giving my opinions about me playing the slots. As I always say, I maybe wrong coz I'm new at RTG slots. Nevertheless, I will take advice from Casinomeister and its members. Thanks for the advice you all have given.

For those new slot players, DO NOT take my advice coz there's no such thing as 100% winning strategy to slots. All the best all slot players! Remember have fun!
Always gamble money that you are prepared to lose.

You have said many times that you are new to RTG, but for someone so new you are pretty confident with yourself. Look, no one here is wishing you any ill will, just trying to help you take your money AND RUN!!!!!!! I know all to well about CWC, let me tell you a little story....

Last year on 10/18 I too won over 17k, hit a very big RJ. Was happy as hell. Now we all know that CWC has a cap on weekly payments, but back then you could only withdraw 3500USD in a 7 day period. Well don't know ya know it, the day the last installment was made is the next day EwalletXpress got shut down. I have almost 10 grand in there that I still haven't been able to receive. But that is another story.

So like a happy camper, I was loyal to this group, because I knew for a fact they do pay like clock work. (Even though I was pissed they had a cap on withdrawls, because of this cap is the reason I lost so much money) Deposits made, and many at that, and nothing. I have very little withdrawals from this group now and not had one in over 5 months or so. Hundreds and I mean hundreds of spins, no features and when your lucky enough to get a feature it pays less than your bet or maybe 4x's your bet if your lucky. I do have the all the play logs to prove it. And to boot, yesterday was my birthday and I didn't even get an e-mail saying happy birthday, and this in the only group that I have played at that didn't send a birthday wish. Even casinos that I have not played at in over a year sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday, and even 2 groups that I have had accounts close for atleast 6 months sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday.

Your good luck will run out and I am sure it will, so do yourself a favor, take the money you just won, pay off your credit cards and make micro deposits somewhere else. Because you will be really hard on yourself when your making all deposits at this group and you can't a thing thinking you will win big again. All to often I see complaints on the forums about this group now, so TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN LIKE FOREST GUMP!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

LH

[harrys99]

This post of yours explains alot.
TopGame slots are mostly VERY low variance, which means they give out lots of small wins and many feautures with relative low payouts.

RTG slots are the opposite, very HIGH variance, you'll get loads of non-paying spins, not many feautures, but the payouts can be very high.
They are also very streaky, you can easily go 400-500 spins without a freespinround, or hit them 5 times within 100 spins.

When I played Topgame in the past, I usually placed bets 5-10 times higher than I do on RTG or Microgaming.

So be careful with RTG games. On high bets they can bankrupt you in the blink of an eye.

I have to add my 2 cents to your post. You are SO RIGHT! when I first started playing RTG a few years ago I kept noticing that free spin features would hit 3 or 4 times in a very short order then nothing. I decided to test this out on several games keeping at the max line but min bet.20 After 4 freespins in less than 30 mins. the games I tested went for 3 HOURS before hitting again. And they all seem to follow this-very streaky indeed!

[harrys99]

You have said many times that you are new to RTG, but for someone so new you are pretty confident with yourself. Look, no one here is wishing you any ill will, just trying to help you take your money AND RUN!!!!!!! I know all to well about CWC, let me tell you a little story....

Last year on 10/18 I too won over 17k, hit a very big RJ. Was happy as hell. Now we all know that CWC has a cap on weekly payments, but back then you could only withdraw 3500USD in a 7 day period. Well don't know ya know it, the day the last installment was made is the day EwalletXpress got shut down. I ave almost 10 grand in there that I still haven't been able to receive. But that is another story.

So like a happy camper, I was loyal to this group, because I knew for a fact they do pay like clock work. (Even though I was pissed they had a cap on withdrawls, because of this cap is the reason I lost so much money) Deposits made, and many at that, and nothing. I have very little withdrawals from this group now and not had one in over 5 months or so. Hundreds and I mean hundreds of spins, no features and when your lucky enough to get a feature it pays less than your bet or maybe 4x's your bet if your lucky. I do have the all the play logs to prove it. And to boot, yesterday was my birthday and I didn't even get an e-mail saying happy birthday, and this in the only group that I have played at that didn't send a birthday wish. Even casinos that I have not played at in over a year sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday, and even 2 groups that I have had accounts close for atleast 6 months sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday.

Your good luck will run out and I am sure it will, so do yourself a favor, take the money you just won, pay off your credit cards and make micro deposits somewhere else. Because you will be really hard on yourself when your making all deposits at this group and you can't a thing thinking you will win big again. All to often I see complaints on the forums about this group now, so TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN LIKE FOREST GUMP!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

LH

Happy belated Birthday!! When mine came this year and they did not contact me-I called them and asked for a freebie. I remember telling the CSR "I have been playing here for X amount of time and no w/d, (at that time) what does a player have to do to get a b'day appreciation chip?" So they gave me one, but we shouldn't have to ask for it.

[LHofsdal]

Happy belated Birthday!! When mine came this year and they did not contact me-I called them and asked for a freebie. I remember telling the CSR "I have been playing here for X amount of time and no w/d, (at that time) what does a player have to do to get a b'day appreciation chip?" So they gave me one, but we shouldn't have to ask for it.

Thank you, I wasn't looking for a free chip, I never ask for one, it is just disappointing when casinos that I don't even have an account with anymore can e-mail me and this group can't. Little appreciation stuff like that goes a long way. Not long enough for me to reopen accounts, lol but for the ones that did go out of their way, it was appreciated.

LH

[Nifty29]

You have said many times that you are new to RTG, but for someone so new you are pretty confident with yourself. Look, no one here is wishing you any ill will, just trying to help you take your money AND RUN!!!!!!! I know all to well about CWC, let me tell you a little story....

Last year on 10/18 I too won over 17k, hit a very big RJ. Was happy as hell. Now we all know that CWC has a cap on weekly payments, but back then you could only withdraw 3500USD in a 7 day period. Well don't know ya know it, the day the last installment was made is the next day EwalletXpress got shut down. I have almost 10 grand in there that I still haven't been able to receive. But that is another story.

So like a happy camper, I was loyal to this group, because I knew for a fact they do pay like clock work. (Even though I was pissed they had a cap on withdrawls, because of this cap is the reason I lost so much money) Deposits made, and many at that, and nothing. I have very little withdrawals from this group now and not had one in over 5 months or so. Hundreds and I mean hundreds of spins, no features and when your lucky enough to get a feature it pays less than your bet or maybe 4x's your bet if your lucky. I do have the all the play logs to prove it. And to boot, yesterday was my birthday and I didn't even get an e-mail saying happy birthday, and this in the only group that I have played at that didn't send a birthday wish. Even casinos that I have not played at in over a year sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday, and even 2 groups that I have had accounts close for atleast 6 months sent me an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday.

Your good luck will run out and I am sure it will, so do yourself a favor, take the money you just won, pay off your credit cards and make micro deposits somewhere else. Because you will be really hard on yourself when your making all deposits at this group and you can't a thing thinking you will win big again. All to often I see complaints on the forums about this group now, so TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN LIKE FOREST GUMP!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

LH

I think you're being a bit harsh here.

You won $17k, which is fantastic, and shows that you can win at CWC. However, due to the EWX fiasco you lost $10k (although you did state they paid $3.5k per week so why was there another $6.5k in there?...why didn't you withdraw it to your bank etc?)

I'm struggling to see where CWC did anything wrong. Yes, they pay VIA instalments, and reasonable ones at least, but you knew that before you played no? If you don't like payment via instalments, play at inetbet etc where they pay in full.

I'm not trying to rub it in, I just think that blaming CWC for your misfortunes is unreasonable.

[nisosbar]

I think you're being a bit harsh here.

You won $17k, which is fantastic, and shows that you can win at CWC. However, due to the EWX fiasco you lost $10k (although you did state they paid $3.5k per week so why was there another $6.5k in there?...why didn't you withdraw it to your bank etc?)

I'm struggling to see where CWC did anything wrong. Yes, they pay VIA instalments, and reasonable ones at least, but you knew that before you played no? If you don't like payment via instalments, play at inetbet etc where they pay in full.

I'm not trying to rub it in, I just think that blaming CWC for your misfortunes is unreasonable.

Also, at that time, ACH and wires were still available, correct? So I agree that it is unreasonable to put the blame on CWC.

[chuchu59]

I think you're being a bit harsh here.

You won $17k, which is fantastic, and shows that you can win at CWC. However, due to the EWX fiasco you lost $10k (although you did state they paid $3.5k per week so why was there another $6.5k in there?...why didn't you withdraw it to your bank etc?)

I'm struggling to see where CWC did anything wrong. Yes, they pay VIA instalments, and reasonable ones at least, but you knew that before you played no? If you don't like payment via instalments, play at inetbet etc where they pay in full.

I'm not trying to rub it in, I just think that blaming CWC for your misfortunes is unreasonable.

Honestly, I cant see Lori blaming CWC. She only stated facts and she did state that the lost $10k is another story. She only relayed this after more than a year and is not making a big fuss out of it. The only thing she is unhappy about is the absence of a b'day chip which loyal customers expect but do not necessarily receive.

[takethemoney]

No.....you have increased your VARIANCE not your chances.

I'm telling you now..... you might get to pay off all your credit cards while variance is on your side, but she is a cruel mistress and she will take it all back and more. If your method is a sure winner, then someone smarter than you would have discovered it years ago and their wouldn't be a casino left on earth.

What is even more worrying, is that you obviously have/had a serious gambling problem, and you think the way to deal with it is to place higher bets with higher variance?????

Any newbies who are reading.....DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME

This is probably the best post and most caring post I have ever seen from Nifty.....I'm serious here. While it might seem brutal, he is absolutely right! Years ago when Casino-On-Net (888) first hit the scene, I would play with absolute reckless abandon, using credit cards and sometimes losing great sums of money, but, I learned to chase losses with bigger deposits and would often times pull myself out of it, in fact, for about a year straight I did this and would have horrendous losses followed by monster wins. I remember the day I deposited the last $500 I had left on one of my credit cards. That was my answer to the $3000 I had lost the previous day. I hit a $2500 jackpot on a slot, then went on to play blackjack. I was ramp betting. I would bet $25 and if I won I'd up it to $50. If I lost I'd drop the bet to $50 but as long as I kept winning my hands I would ratchet up $25 more. I got on an incredible roll and managed to take that $3000 up to over $22,000 in a matter of a few hours. I cashed out, received all my money from them and even had the self discipline while the funds were being transferred to my bank account.

My credit cards were paid off at last! I enjoyed some of my freedom from debt, even taking a fishing trip for 10 days. When I returned there was a new promo offer and I quickly jumped right back in with a deposit......and lost it. I continued to make deposits until I was up to my eyeballs in debt again. I stopped gambling for a long time and it took me a lot of hard work to pay back my debts. It seemed I could no longer win. Lesson learned about using credit to gamble.

Nowdays, as I have posted before, most of my best wins come from smaller deposits. I only deposit what is not needed to survive, will not affect my ability to pay my bills, etc. If I make $150 deposit these days, that's a lot for me, unless I am well ahead. The bottom line is I do not borrow money to gamble. I either gamble smaller amounts or when betting larger amounts it's from money I have won.

[jod5413]

Your post is right up there with Nifty's, IMO. Well said, and I am so glad you were able to learn this lesson without going all the way down the tubes, like so many have done. It is so hard to learn to gamble within your means for many folks, you go into a fog state, positively knowing you will turn it around. But....the odds are not in your favor, ever.

It needs to be fun, a little daring, but always stay within your means. It's easy to keep going when you are on the winning swing. The hardest thing to do is quit when things are not going your way. Very, very hard. I think all gamblers have had to fight that urge to chase.

This is probably the best post and most caring post I have ever seen from Nifty.....I'm serious here. While it might seem brutal, he is absolutely right! Years ago when Casino-On-Net (888) first hit the scene, I would play with absolute reckless abandon, using credit cards and sometimes losing great sums of money, but, I learned to chase losses with bigger deposits and would often times pull myself out of it, in fact, for about a year straight I did this and would have horrendous losses followed by monster wins. I remember the day I deposited the last $500 I had left on one of my credit cards. That was my answer to the $3000 I had lost the previous day. I hit a $2500 jackpot on a slot, then went on to play blackjack. I was ramp betting. I would bet $25 and if I won I'd up it to $50. If I lost I'd drop the bet to $50 but as long as I kept winning my hands I would ratchet up $25 more. I got on an incredible roll and managed to take that $3000 up to over $22,000 in a matter of a few hours. I cashed out, received all my money from them and even had the self discipline while the funds were being transferred to my bank account.

My credit cards were paid off at last! I enjoyed some of my freedom from debt, even taking a fishing trip for 10 days. When I returned there was a new promo offer and I quickly jumped right back in with a deposit......and lost it. I continued to make deposits until I was up to my eyeballs in debt again. I stopped gambling for a long time and it took me a lot of hard work to pay back my debts. It seemed I could no longer win. Lesson learned about using credit to gamble.

Nowdays, as I have posted before, most of my best wins come from smaller deposits. I only deposit what is not needed to survive, will not affect my ability to pay my bills, etc. If I make $150 deposit these days, that's a lot for me, unless I am well ahead. The bottom line is I do not borrow money to gamble. I either gamble smaller amounts or when betting larger amounts it's from money I have won.

[LHofsdal]

I think you're being a bit harsh here.

You won $17k, which is fantastic, and shows that you can win at CWC. However, due to the EWX fiasco you lost $10k (although you did state they paid $3.5k per week so why was there another $6.5k in there?...why didn't you withdraw it to your bank etc?)

I'm struggling to see where CWC did anything wrong. Yes, they pay VIA instalments, and reasonable ones at least, but you knew that before you played no? If you don't like payment via instalments, play at inetbet etc where they pay in full.

I'm not trying to rub it in, I just think that blaming CWC for your misfortunes is unreasonable.

Yes, it took over a month to get all my winnings, plus I had another cashout pending at one other of their casinos so that decreased an installment and with EWX you have to request the money to be sent to your bank that takes a few days and then I would have to wait 7 days to get my next installment then request another withdrawal etc. But like I said, I still went back like a happy camper. Yes I did know that they paid installments, but because I had deposited with EWX I had to withdraw that way. I did try to make other arrangements for payment but everything came back with the same answer, I had to withdraw they same way I made my deposit. So no there was not any other option for me to get my winnings.

No Chu- I wasn't expecting a free chip, I don't ever expect one and I never ask for one. Was just disappointed that other groups could manage an e-mail wishing me a happy birthday and this group could not. I don't think that after 2 years of being a loyal customer and getting one the previous year was alot to ask for. Working with the public for 21 years it is the little things that one does to show your customers a little appreciation, and that is what makes one place stand out from antoher. In this case, it is the opposite, it is what they have not done that makes this group stand out from the rest.

LH