All TopGames Casinos are Down! DDos Attacks!!

[Seventh777]

I'm not sure I follow you....

Without opening to much of a big can of worms i`ll do my best to elaborate, there are/were accusations being tossed around here and other sites as to whom were responsible for this, and in their defence many have stated that those accused also have sites using the same software, as we know there are not many options available to the Americans etc to play at, if you could take out one of these options even though you have a site using the same software, but, have several more not using the same software and readably available, there is a fair chance you have just increased your customers many-fold.

Hope that explains it better .

[Nifty29]

Bryan, any reply from danielg about the link between affactive and GoldVIP?

I'm assuming the initial silence probably confirms it.

Anyone who plays at Winpalace etc after knowing this, regardless of any other events in the past few weeks, is totally nuts and is personally supporting rogues of the worst kind. Same goes for affiliates (of which only a handful have come forward and announced they are severing ties with them). As someone stated earlier, no affiliate can promote these guys now and claim to be ethical and looking after players interests.

[zanzibar]

Same goes for affiliates (of which only a handful have come forward and announced they are severing ties with them). As someone stated earlier, no affiliate can promote these guys now and claim to be ethical and looking after players interests.

Consider it from another angle. Many affiliates post here with their sites linked in their signatures. If you were doing that, would you post publicly here that you were dropping them and risk getting DDOS'd by a gang of criminals?

[Nifty29]

Consider it from another angle. Many affiliates post here with their sites linked in their signatures. If you were doing that, would you post publicly here that you were dropping them and risk getting DDOS'd by a gang of criminals?

I see what you're saying, but there are affiliate members here who are happily continuing to promote them.

If they don't want to announce it or make a public statement etc then fine, but the links can still be removed without doing any of that. Unless of course you're suggesting that affiliates should continue to promote these casinos out of fear of attack? If so, you're talking about extortion, albeit implied. No, these guys will be bending over backwards to keep the affiliates happy....there is no way they would attack an affiliate and risk alienating the whole affy community. It would cost them too much.

I guess it also shows how using signatures for free advertising has its drawbacks. If a member doesn't want their personal opinions to affect their business they shouldn't provide the connection in the first place.

Anyway, none of this really matters, as affys who continue to promote them are supporting the disgraceful business practices and lack of ethics that both Rome and affactive have displayed. Using fear of a non-existent threat would be a total cop-out.

[zanzibar]

I see what you're saying, but there are affiliate members here who are happily continuing to promote them.

If they don't want to announce it or make a public statement etc then fine, but the links can still be removed without doing any of that. Unless of course you're suggesting that affiliates should continue to promote these casinos out of fear of attack? If so, you're talking about extortion, albeit implied. No, these guys will be bending over backwards to keep the affiliates happy....there is no way they would attack an affiliate and risk alienating the whole affy community. It would cost them too much.

Not at all. I think the wise course of action is to remove them with as little fuss as possible.

I guess it also shows how using signatures for free advertising has its drawbacks. If a member doesn't want their personal opinions to affect their business they shouldn't provide the connection in the first place.

My thinking exactly, and aside from that I find posting at a site and using links in your signature to try to entice people to your own site to be a little rude I guess.

Anyway, none of this really matters, as affys who continue to promote them are supporting the disgraceful business practices and lack of ethics that both Rome and affactive have displayed. Using fear of a non-existent threat would be a total cop-out.

Agreed that affiliates should not be promoting either of these groups. I disagree that the threat of attack is non-existant given that a couple of affiliates claim to have been attacked by these people before in the GPWA thread.

[kavaman]

Purely from player standpoint , affactive has always paid out winnings, and it has not been officially proven that goldvipclub is part of affactive. I might be absurd, but i continue to play with affactive RTG brands , atleast until they are proven rogue. The same cannot be said for romecasino who runs over 50% of topgame casinos. Now over 80% when mayflower lost the licence. To be honest i dont know if there are any other topgame casinos left then different rome brands andthe more reputable box24, blackdiamond, spartanslots group. Rialto claims not to be part of rome, but the terms are about exact and the money goes to rome, so i believe they still are because the money goes to rome if you deposit there. Also the rome rep noah was the only one who got the players paid. Withouth his help the player would just be given excuses, and not paid, i have seen this here, aswell as number of other boards full of posts of nonpayment, where noah has always gotten the players paid.

Oh yes, almost forgot the winward group, but id pass on them too because of past issues. Don't know if there are any current ones.

Even though the whole mess with affactive and rome/topgame has been absurd i think the rep:s should be able to stay here, because in case of nonpayment or problem they can help, and support can not ;( , as long as they don't keep this board as their personal kindergarten accusing each other.

[Nifty29]

Purely from player standpoint , affactive has always paid out winnings, and it has not been officially proven that goldvipclub is part of affactive. I might be absurd, but i continue to play with affactive RTG brands , atleast until they are proven rogue. The same cannot be said for romecasino who runs over 50% of topgame casinos. Now over 80% when mayflower lost the licence. To be honest i dont know if there are any other topgame casinos left then different rome brands andthe more reputable box24, blackdiamond, spartanslots group. Rialto claims not to be part of rome, but the terms are about exact and the money goes to rome, so i believe they still are because the money goes to rome if you deposit there. Also the rome rep noah was the only one who got the players paid. Withouth his help the player would just be given excuses, and not paid, i have seen this here, aswell as number of other boards full of posts of nonpayment, where noah has always gotten the players paid.

Oh yes, almost forgot the winward group, but id pass on them too because of past issues. Don't know if there are any current ones.

Even though the whole mess with affactive and rome/topgame has been absurd i think the rep:s should be able to stay here, because in case of nonpayment or problem they can help, and support can not ;( , as long as they don't keep this board as their personal kindergarten accusing each other.

Bryan said he knows GoldVIP and Winpalace/affactive are the same people. If you don't believe it, that's your call, but the fact remains.

Anyone who plays at either of them, or promotes them, has rocks in their heads imo and are supporting and condoning unethical conduct.

[Nifty29]

.....and the self-proclaimed ethical affiliate members here who claim to look out for their players, and who still promote the affactive casinos right now....


......are still silent.

[kavaman]

I am somewhere in between on this nifty. Yes bryan said they are the same, but on the other hand every affactive.com listed casinos (not goldvipclub, never played there) has always paid out my player winnings. I should propably move on to other properties, so you guys cannot say i told you so if they start not to pay.
What comes to affiliates, i think some of them are promoting them until they get a bad experience/complaint from player. I think it would be most unethical to promote a casino who does not pay out, but the casinos have been paying out players , atleast until for now.

[zanzibar]

Well I have been digging a bit. I have very little trust in either of these operators so I wanted to see if this GoldVipClub link could be proved.

First we have the fact that GoldVipClub and WinPalace used to be hosted together.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...winpalace.html

This is not longer the case. GoldVipClub.com now resolves to an IP belonging to Prolexic which is a company that assists websites in resisting DDoS attacks, so it looks like they are attempting to protect themselves.

And they had the same support staff, at least at one time, if not still today:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...d-goldvip.html

Looking at the ownership quoted on the GoldVipClub website since it appeared in 2007 reveals these names:

Ilforno Management Ltd. (Remember this one...)
http://web.archive.org/web/200710111...ldvipclub.com/

Erpefa Trading Ltd, Cyprus. This is the current info, and has been since a few weeks after the site was first archived in 2007.
http://web.archive.org/web/200710231...oldvipclub.com

For WinPalace it started as Regalbar Ltd, UK.
http://web.archive.org/web/200909250...winpalace.com/

Slots Jungle started with Lodolia investments ltd, Cyprus.
http://web.archive.org/web/201005100...otsjungle.com/

Now WinPalace, Slots Jungle, and Casino Titan say they are owned by Netad Management, Curacao, and they are trying to hide this from search engines by only listing the company name using an image on the website. Unfortunately they forgot to do this on the MayFlower Casino website as it is in text on the T&Cs page. GG guys!


So I searched a bit on the UK registered companies and found some interesting info.

First Regalbar Ltd: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05184014
Scroll down and you will see that the current Director is "Mr John Avery". Clicking his name reveals that he is also a director of Entersa Ltd.

Also see here:
http://www.cdrex.com/regalbar-ltd-3215630.html
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/e5...prodorder?ft=1

Entersa Ltd:
http://www.cdrex.com/entersa-limited-1971796.html
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b5...prodorder?ft=1

It is interesting that both companies regularly change their directors. They have the following names in common at various times:
John Avery
Christopher Engeham
Irakli Manasherov

More interesting bits:

Entersa Ltd - 20/06/2008 - APPOINTMENT TERMINATED DIRECTOR NAPHTALI GOLDMAN.

That name sounds familiar. Sure enough this is the ex-owner of rogue RTG Lucky 18 Casino that was arrested in Israel and later acquitted of various offences related to his casino. I had the mis-pleasure of meeting him once where he made it clear he was happy for affiliates to spam, blackhat and "do whatever you've got to do" (in his words) to bring players to his casino. Anyway, I digress.

Entersa Ltd - 15/07/2010 - CORPORATE SECRETARY'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / ILFORNO MANAGEMENT LTD / 01/10/2009

Bingo. Remember GoldVipClub originally printed on its website that it was owned by Ilforno Management. The directors of Regalbar Ltd and Entersa Ltd are the same, and have been for a few years. WinPalace used to print that they were owned by Regalbar Ltd.

I'm sure there could be more useful info found by paying to read those company filings but I don't need to see any more. I am convinced that not only are GoldVipClub and the Affactive casinos related through ownership, but they are also linked to the old rogue casino Lucky 18.