Questions about RTP

[bb28]

Hi all........been lurking for quite a while but decided to come out and ask a few questions. With that said, I've got a few questions for some of you that have a good grasp on RTP. (I certainly don't.)

I have this assumption about B&M RTP and correct me if I'm wrong please. Let's say that they advertise their rtp as 93%. I assume that that means that not all machines will have a 93%, some may have 88, some may have 99, but it averages out to 93%. Is that a correct assumption?

Now with online rtp's and let's use RTG as the example because it seems to be widely accepted that there are 3 different settings that each casino can go with. So let's assume that this particular casino is set at the middle which is 95%. So assuming that is true, does that mean that each game is set at 95 or does that mean that some are lower, some are higher or is it a flat 95% across the board?

Also if my above assumption is correct about different games having different rtps, can the rtp be set differently for different bet sizes?


Hope my questions are clear.

[LaHutti]

Your questions are quite clear, as a lot of questions have been in the past about these things. I suspect, that the answers you'll get, will be as NOT clear, as they always are, because noone, who is willing to answer here, has any clue what the real answer is.
What you'll get is guesses, because the casinos, or rather the software providers, apparently, have no interest in giving that information. Just keep that in mind

[4 of a kind]

As far has land based casinos in Vegas, or A.C. you could every month review the casinos monthly reports to the gaming commissions and view what the RTP actually was for each month like I posted here...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post442146, or with subscriptions to certain magazines review their monthly RTP's like I posted here...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post352999

As far as online RTP settings go, no one knows for sure how it really works. After researching and trying to find these types of questions out, it appears there is no monthly reports being done to any online gaming commission. The best you could hope for is trusting the he said, she said, he said, dribble.

[bb28]

Your questions are quite clear, as a lot of questions have been in the past about these things. I suspect, that the answers you'll get, will be as NOT clear, as they always are, because noone, who is willing to answer here, has any clue what the real answer is.
What you'll get is guesses, because the casinos, or rather the software providers, apparently, have no interest in giving that information. Just keep that in mind

I had to laugh when I read your post as you are most likely correct in that there won't be any "official" word, just theories.

Too bad dogboy doesn't post anymore. His responses usually were above my head but I could grasp a bit of it.

[Simmo!]

So let's assume that this particular casino is set at the middle which is 95%. So assuming that is true, does that mean that each game is set at 95 or does that mean that some are lower, some are higher or is it a flat 95% across the board?

I asked one of the more reputable RTG operators ths question a couple of years back. I seem to remember (memory fades with age!) that the Real Series slots would all have the same selected RTP (93, 95 or 97% are the 3 settings I think) and in your example, that would be 95%, however the random jackpot takes up part of that. No idea how much but the WMS jackpots which are similar-ish I guess account for 2.99% so it seems reasonable to assume that RTG's aren't too far away from that.

Again, on memory, the older RTG slots (Diamond Mine, Shopping Spree etc) don't follow that pattern nor, obvioulsy, do table and video poker games. Triggers a memory of one of iNetBets' Joker Poker variants being marginally +ev actually

As an aside, the video poker RTP's in Vegas are around 25%. This week anyway

[bb28]

As an aside, the video poker RTP's in Vegas are around 25%. This week anyway

Ahhh the memories, I wonder if that poker machine is setting next to the slot machine that I was personally acquainted with that had an rtp of 35%.

[bb28]

As far has land based casinos in Vegas, or A.C. you could every month review the casinos monthly reports to the gaming commissions and view what the RTP actually was for each month like I posted here...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post442146, or with subscriptions to certain magazines review their monthly RTP's like I posted here...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post352999

As far as online RTP settings go, no one knows for sure how it really works. After researching and trying to find these types of questions out, it appears there is no monthly reports being done to any online gaming commission. The best you could hope for is trusting the he said, she said, he said, dribble.

Thanks for the links. Maybe someday on the published stuff for online.

[KasinoKing]

I asked one of the more reputable RTG operators this question a couple of years back. I seem to remember (memory fades with age!) that the Real Series slots would all have the same selected RTP (93, 95 or 97% are the 3 settings I think) and in your example, that would be 95%, however the random jackpot takes up part of that. No idea how much but the WMS jackpots which are similar-ish I guess account for 2.99% so it seems reasonable to assume that RTG's aren't too far away from that.

Your memory is close, but not spot on I believe.
The official RTP settings I obtained actually show 4 different RTP possibilities: 91%, 94%, 95% and 97.5%
I have these listed out against each slot on the RTG page of my SlotBeaters site here: http://www.slotbeaters.com/SD~RTG.htm
It's worth noting that not all have 3 settings, so players could only play the ones which don't have a 91% option, if they're worried about it.

I also recall DogBoy saying the progressive contribution is more more like 1.5%

it seems to be widely accepted that there are 3 different settings that each casino can go with. So let's assume that this particular casino is set at the middle which is 95%. So assuming that is true, does that mean that each game is set at 95 or does that mean that some are lower, some are higher or is it a flat 95% across the board?

LaHutti is right, no-one who knows for certain is going to come here and post this info, but from everything I've read and gleaned over the years it is my personal opinion that RTG casinos can have different slots set to different RTPs.
So some could be on 91%, while others are on 95% or even 97.5%.

A few casinos have stated that theirs are all on the middle settings - but we can't know that for sure.

KK

[4 of a kind]

The official RTP settings I obtained actually show 4 different RTP possibilities: 91%, 94%, 95% and 97.5%

"Official RTP settings I obtained" ?????

Where did you get this information that makes your RTP listings official? Please post whatever documents you obtained that would confirm these settings as official.

[DiamondGeezer]

I feel a 57 page thread about the authenticity of RTG RTP settings coming on