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    Quote Originally Posted by H1_Roller View Post
    Hope you get this sorted KK

    On the subject -
    I have both MB and NT accounts. Can someone use them to fund money from my actual bank account (as I can), and then steal the cash? Or would they also need to somehow (highly unlikely) hack my "Verified by Visa" security as well?
    If you're enrolled to Verified by Visa then you have to enter your password every time you use the card online, so the answer is yes, they would need to use this password too.

    Out of interest, why do people use ewallets when you have cards? Never understood it personally, it's not like you pay tax on winnings and you need to hide it...
    Too long in this business!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyzz View Post
    If you're enrolled to Verified by Visa then you have to enter your password every time you use the card online, so the answer is yes, they would need to use this password too.

    Out of interest, why do people use ewallets when you have cards? Never understood it personally, it's not like you pay tax on winnings and you need to hide it...
    actully here you have to if its bigger then 5 grand i think, its somewere around 20% so i rather keep my winnings at Neteller and use there master card to spend my winnings instead of wire the money back to my account and have the tax man around



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyzz View Post
    If you're enrolled to Verified by Visa then you have to enter your password every time you use the card online, so the answer is yes, they would need to use this password too.

    Out of interest, why do people use ewallets when you have cards? Never understood it personally, it's not like you pay tax on winnings and you need to hide it...
    1) eWallets ringfence your gambling money.
    2) Credit cards now charge fees and interest on gambling deposits, and unlike purchases, interest is still charged even if paid off in full when the statement arrives.

    3) Credit card companies are blocking more and more gambling transactions because they trigger their automated fraud flags. Most casinos do NOT support "verified by VISA", and this is another reason such transactions get blocked.

    4) Debit cards work better, but if compromised, can end up with your bank account getting emptied, which can have a severe knock-on effect on your day to day life, and can lead to bills not being paid and charges mounting up. If your eWallet is hacked and emptied, only your gambling is put on hold, not the rest of your life.

    5) eWallet transactions are much faster, especially withdrawals. Cards hold your money up for a couple of days, and where casinos can't refund to your card, they insist on sending a cheque, which means even more delay before you can use your winnings.

    6) If your eWallet doesn't have the money, your deposit gets rejected. If you use a card, your deposit may still work, but you will find yourself overdrawn, possibly an unauthorised one, and will be hit by massive charges.

    One feature offered by eWallets is actually a security weakness. You can connect a bank acccount to it, and where there is not enough money to cover a transaction, your bank will be charged via a prearranged variable direct debit, rather than your deposit getting rejected. The weakness here is that if your eWallet is hacked, your bank can be emptied too.

    Another aspect is privacy. If you use your bank debit card, your bank will know that you gamble, when, and how much. They may also make assumptions using an incomplete model, for example, they will see the debits, but may not be where you receive your withdrawals, so the bank will think you are losing far more than you are.
    This data will then count against you if you apply to your bank for a loan or mortgage, even just an overdraft.
    In the UK, the taxman doesn't care about gambling winnings, but WOULD care about any AFFILIATE derived earnings, which are usually "laundered" by the affiliate system and can not be differentiated from gambling wins/withdrawals once remitted to the UK.

    I am sure that the tax office will eventually figure out what is going on, but at present they are just not geared up to fit this kind of income into the tax regime, hence it is down to the honesty of individual taxpayers to self declare affiliate earnings.
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    Fair points VWM but I'd say when push comes to shove, it's personal preference.

    Affiliate earnings - it's a dangerous game. You have to consider the tax return beind filed at the other side and why the operator isn't paying tax on X% of said income - it's because they wrote it off as a cost to your 'company', so it will catch up with them and bite them in the ass. Unless of course they have the company registered overseas....
    Too long in this business!!



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    I would try also, immeadly after i had notice my MB was hacked try to cancel those transactions by my self.

    It is available in here:
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    Those accounts(emails) where money have been removed they are not maybe even created yet and there is a change to cancel those.
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    Good luck getting to the bottom of this- a few years ago one of my casino accts was hacked into and the money withdrawn to moneybookers. A few months later my moneybookers acct had withdrawals showing which werent mine (I stopped using them after the first incident) While the casino recredited the funds to my casino acct MB never replied responded or gave any explanation for the security lapses despite requests for info from me and the casino.

    I hope you can get your funds but I suspect you will not get a satisfactory explanation
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    Sorry for your problems KasinoKing, I'm a little scared now, because I use only MB...
    Any news from Moneybookers support?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyzz View Post
    Out of interest, why do people use ewallets when you have cards? Never understood it personally, it's not like you pay tax on winnings and you need to hide it...
    Basically - what Vinylweatherman said!
    I play casinos and receive affiliate income in 3 different currencies: For $US I use Neteller, for € Euro I use MoneyBookers, and for £UK I use my Debit Card or Direct wire transfer.
    It's just more convenient that way for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo99 View Post
    Sorry for your problems KasinoKing, I'm a little scared now, because I use only MB...
    Any news from Moneybookers support?
    No - not a peep from them at all. I may have to phone them again tomorrow to find out what's going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KasinoKing View Post
    Basically - what Vinylweatherman said!
    I play casinos and receive affiliate income in 3 different currencies: For $US I use Neteller, for € Euro I use MoneyBookers, and for £UK I use my Debit Card or Direct wire transfer.
    It's just more convenient that way for me.


    No - not a peep from them at all. I may have to phone them again tomorrow to find out what's going on...

    Thanks to everyone for your kind comments & wishes - that's what makes this forum so great!

    KK
    Don't know if you are a VIP or not, but I found at that calling them\asking for my VIP contact was MUCH swifter that going through the email loop (takes them ages to reply to an email).

    Anyways, hope you get this sorted KK..Btw. have you done a virus scan and a spyware scan on your computer? If they got hold on your Moneybookers login details, they might have gotten access to other casino accounts etc. I would do several virus\spyware scans if i where you...

    Good luck!



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    Well that sucks. I agree with the other posters, more than likely it was a keylogger on your computer - I actually just found one on my computer but luckily my firewall asked me when it tried to phone home. If you're only using Windows Firewall, it will only stop programs coming TO your computer, so you need a firewall like ZoneAlarm that also stops things from calling out.

    The one thing that seems odd in your situation is that they made a bunch of smallish withdrawals instead of one big one. And also if they're using your account to play at a casino and then cash out, wouldn't it go back into your account?
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