Video Poker not random?

[Osloking]

Hello all, i found something strange past the years i been playing, but i have till now ignored this,

You see in video poker at least (Netent) if you get say 2 jacks, if you throw them away you will get jacks or better anyway, how can this be random?

Just play the minimum and try it for your self if you dont trust me.

I tested this on RTG and i got the same result, i folded the 222 and got 333, but this happens almost all the time on Netent.

I searched on internett and found lot of people saying exactly what i mean. so the video poker is like slot machines now?

So the machine thinks : i will give him back his bets no matter what?

[daveboz]

I believe sometimes these online video poker games are VIRTUAL LOTTERY TERMINALS. Bodog is a prime example of how bogus this randomness they claim is.

Time and time again I win at Bodog until they decide to switch servers on me. Random? How's this for random? Start with $250 hit Straight flush, (5) 4 kinds who knows how many full houses. Up to $750 in two hours. Technically thats luck right? The cards are still supposed to be generated randomly. So you would think on a 99.4% RTP machine it would take a total disaster or a purposely mishandled playing style to lose the $750 within an hour right? You got it! I'm pissed because I can't just take the gift! It's as if they make you pay for trying to run with the gift. Do not play there late Sunday or late Wed. This is when they adjust the payouts for the comps they give out the next day, essentially a 10-15% return on losses.

[funeral979]

So you would think on a 99.4% RTP machine it would take a total disaster or a purposely mishandled playing style to lose the $750 within an hour right?

Technically thats bad luck, right?

[daveboz]

should have left out the total disaster part. Essentially, at a 99.4% machine it is virtually impossible to lose it that fast assuming the game is not rigged and the RTP is as advertised.

[Scooter7]

So...on a 99.4% machine, how did you manage to WIN big in the first place?
Perhaps there should be a rule that makes EVERY bet pay back EXACTLY 99.4% so we can take all the excitement out of it

[BodogBecky]

I believe sometimes these online video poker games are VIRTUAL LOTTERY TERMINALS. Bodog is a prime example of how bogus this randomness they claim is.

Time and time again I win at Bodog until they decide to switch servers on me. Random? How's this for random? Start with $250 hit Straight flush, (5) 4 kinds who knows how many full houses. Up to $750 in two hours. Technically thats luck right? The cards are still supposed to be generated randomly. So you would think on a 99.4% RTP machine it would take a total disaster or a purposely mishandled playing style to lose the $750 within an hour right? You got it! I'm pissed because I can't just take the gift! It's as if they make you pay for trying to run with the gift. Do not play there late Sunday or late Wed. This is when they adjust the payouts for the comps they give out the next day, essentially a 10-15% return on losses.

Apologies if you know this already, but I just wanted to clarify that the casino software licensed to Bodog brand licensees is no longer accurately described as the “RTG Casino” product. BodogBrand acquired the rights to the RTG Casino source code in early 2007 and since then the product has been significantly enhanced and has undergone continuous development. Today, the casino platform licensed to the Bodog brand licensees is effectively a wholly proprietary product.

Also, I can assure you that the bodog casino software is legitimate, it has auditing from three separate, independent companies for their own proprietary games and another testing lab for their third-party games.

Proprietary games -> TST, Gaming Associates, eCOGRA
Third-party Games -> iTech Labs

This page provides information on the certification of the bodog casino software.

Thank you!
Becky

[Stovetopp]

I play at BODOG a lot
There is one scary thing about playing VP at BODOG is this "update" bar that crosses the screen when I am playing It DOES NOT SAY "UPDATE" just ascroll and being very paranoid I switch games immediately I phoned CS and complained but to no avail. What is interesting , is that I have never seen that happening at Jackpot Capital or INETBET and they are both RTG i HOPE bODOGbECKY CAN GIVE A REASONABLE explanation for this phenemon.

As for the OP's original post, how come he/she did not complain when he/she was beating the 99.4% in minutes I would have quit and cashed out immediately. If you had gotten a royal I would think the machine was fixed cause you would have exceeded the 99.4% by a large margin
Once at bodog . I was playing dble dble bonus and got 4 aces(no kickers though
) in a matter of 2 minutes Since then I have yet to see an ace show up while playing dble dble Its all GAMBLING

[daveboz]

I noticed the same thing. It happens about ten minutes into your session. I believe they are monitoring play and switching servers. Been awhile since I was disconnected by an administrator as well. Bodog does not like winners. Hit 4 dueces and an ace 3 months ago for 10k and they have been working to get it back ever since.

Heading to Vegas next month for three days to play VP. We will see how it goes on a land based machine, should be easy to tell since I utilize optimal strategy. I hope I am wrong about Bodog. Michael S for some reason supports them, believes them to be legit.

[daveboz]

I play at BODOG a lot
There is one scary thing about playing VP at BODOG is this "update" bar that crosses the screen when I am playing It DOES NOT SAY "UPDATE" just ascroll and being very paranoid I switch games immediately I phoned CS and complained but to no avail. What is interesting , is that I have never seen that happening at Jackpot Capital or INETBET and they are both RTG i HOPE bODOGbECKY CAN GIVE A REASONABLE explanation for this phenemon.

As for the OP's original post, how come he/she did not complain when he/she was beating the 99.4% in minutes I would have quit and cashed out immediately. If you had gotten a royal I would think the machine was fixed cause you would have exceeded the 99.4% by a large margin
Once at bodog . I was playing dble dble bonus and got 4 aces(no kickers though
) in a matter of 2 minutes Since then I have yet to see an ace show up while playing dble dble Its all GAMBLING

Anytime you win anything above a three kind the software kicks in with the losing hands. On many occassions you will lose 9-10 straight hands after a 4 kind. Bodog RTG, access to the source code allowed them to create this streakiness. Bodog is the king of nice wins and also the king of losses. The software will pick you apart with long stretches of jacks or better pushes and nothing from low pairs and then throw in a 4 kind and full houses. I have never received so many full houses than at Bodog. But in between they will take it all back. Sometimes you will win a few more hands but after that the program they have written in shuts you down. Cash out or stop playing? You're only chance is to get it out of there. Playing the old win 100 here abd there and logging off just pisses them off. If you are a winner they will still take it the next week or whenever because of their control over your account and the ability to move you from the 99.54% machine to the 25% one.

[Nifty29]

Anytime you win anything above a three kind the software kicks in with the losing hands. On many occassions you will lose 9-10 straight hands after a 4 kind. Bodog RTG, access to the source code allowed them to create this streakiness. Bodog is the king of nice wins and also the king of losses. The software will pick you apart with long stretches of jacks or better pushes and nothing from low pairs and then throw in a 4 kind and full houses. I have never received so many full houses than at Bodog. But in between they will take it all back. Sometimes you will win a few more hands but after that the program they have written in shuts you down. Cash out or stop playing? You're only chance is to get it out of there. Playing the old win 100 here abd there and logging off just pisses them off. If you are a winner they will still take it the next week or whenever because of their control over your account and the ability to move you from the 99.54% machine to the 25% one.

Good detective work Daveboz.

Could you please post the source code you have gained access to and point out where it has been altered to allow these shut downs? I'm really keen to see it.

Also, if you could provide your spreadsheet of results showing changes after each 'update' and the losing streak after the 4OAKs that would be awesome.