Some Rival Casinos No Longer Accepting New US Players

[DarkMage]

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As of April 16th, 2011 Rivalpowered.com casinos will not be accepting players from the United States of America. Although no statement has been issued to players a livechat confirmed that new US players are blocked and testing revealed that new players are not able to create an account. All of this seems to be a direct influence by the fact that the Department of Justice has seized 5 online poker domains and now has the online gambling industry in a panic. The 5 poker domains seized are PokerStars, FullTiltPoker, UB.com, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker.

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http://www.grem.net/blog/rival-casin...ng-us-players/

[Sloto]

This relates to Rival White Label casinos only.

Ms Sloto

[vinylweatherman]

This relates to Rival White Label casinos only.

Ms Sloto

With no official announcement, players are going to assume this means NO Rival casinos are accepting new US players, as this is what is being stated to them when they try to join a white label.

Given that Rival don't take Canadian players, this is going to be bad news for the white labels.

Rival casinos need to make sure that non-US players don't suffer from any fallout, as it would send them the message that the US government have more or less "seized Rival", rather than a few processing companies.

It could be the end for the white labels, as the only Rival casinos still accepting new US players are the independents, and this is where new players are going to go, and many existing players may decide to "jump ship" in favour of these independents, rather than run the risk of continuing to play at casinos that are simply managing their decline.

We may see other casinos running away from the US in the months to come, rather than risk getting caught up in further seizures.

Microgaming may even pull the "level 11" solution for existing players.

This may leave only some RTG and Top Game casinos, not a happy prospect for US players.

[DiamondGeezer]

Wow this is pretty huge news.

You do have to wonder if Casinos and Sportsbooks will be next and it looks like Rival are taking pre-emptive action.

You do have to wonder if the white labels can survive without US players as I imagine it's the vast majority of their custom.

I hope I'm wrong though as I have a soft spot for Rival and have always liked them.

[DiamondGeezer]

Is RTG next???

One thing I have picked up on with this case is the allegation that certain companies were making charitable donations to struggling US banks in order to prop them up. If so then this will open up a whole can of worms and it could be the level of corruption has gone up to a high level.

Must admit I have never understood the legailty of the payment processors or the casinos blatently allowing US customers. By that I mean I have never been sure of who is the offending party - the casino, the payment processors or the player? It's totally unclear as to who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That has been the problem all along. The european companies pulled out of the US as they weren't certain about the legality but nothing has ever been proven. As I understood it the 1996 Act made the liability lie with banks and payment processors rather than the casinos themselves.

I wonder if the bigger implication of the seizure of these poker sites is with the payment processors and particularly the banks. If the heat is directed in this area it is going to be extremely difficult for casinos and sportsbooks to function. Which is bad news for RTG.

[jetset]

The reported Rival withdrawal is pretty sketchy as far as I can see, and there has so far been no official confirmation.

It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few days.

Have any Rival affiliates heard anything more concrete on this report?

[Dipity]

This will be a stupid question to the majority of you, but how do you know if a Rival Casino is a white label or not? Is there a list somewhere? Or do you just 'know' via some other significant marking within the client software?

[DiamondGeezer]

It's not a stupid question no as the structure of Rival is very opaque.

AFAIK I think the relevant casino has to self declare. Most are white labels though and a few are independant.

KasinoKing is a bit of a Rival expert hopefully he can clarify the situation.

[Redbush54]

The white labels can be found here http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/

[lots0]

The reported Rival withdrawal is pretty sketchy as far as I can see, and there has so far been no official confirmation...

I think the post from Sloto is as Official as we are going to get, for a while.

This relates to Rival White Label casinos only.

Rival White lables not takeing US Players.

Rival powered private owned casinos still taking US players.