casino rewards & rival chargebacks

[dvsax]

I'm in USA. I lost about $1400 with these casinos in the past 2 months. I always made $25 deposits, so 56 deposits. I have to say I played years ago and won more often with the MG slots at various casinos, but not anything anymore. rival casinos, well I never won anything over my bonus terms for some reason.

My questions is, what happens when a person does a visa chargeback for these casinos? Can you go to jail, if you, say dont recognize purchases and somehow it is tracked with IP or something else? What if you have done a chargeback before with visa, do they keep track of these?

[rainmaker]

I think that people would like to know why you are asking before they give you an answer. Are you considering to do a chargeback on a lost deposit or what?

[unhappy]

I dont know what a visa charge back is and as far as casino rewards which casino did you play at .golden tiger is been very good to me. try allslots and that group jackpot factory if you want to change.

[dvsax]

I think that people would like to know why you are asking before they give you an answer. Are you considering to do a chargeback on a lost deposit or what?

NO! I will never do a chargeback. It's unethical for one, and I do not want to lose my MG accounts forever. I just want someone to say if they have gotten in trouble for it. Or, if it is even possible for a US person to get in trouble for it.

[rainmaker]

NO! I will never do a chargeback. It's unethical for one, and I do not want to lose my MG accounts forever. I just want someone to say if they have gotten in trouble for it. Or, if it is even possible for a US person to get in trouble for it.

Oki, I just had to ask. To throw out a question like that makes me suspicious you know

If you look in the PAB section, I quess you will find people who have had their case rejected because of chargebacks (casino has proven chargebacks), so I would believe that people has gotten in trouble because of that.

It is not only about getting in trouble with the casino. The casino and possible the casino provider (Mg, Playtech etc...) will blacklist that player. The credit card company will maybe also list the user as a "high risk user". And there is also a risk that the bank will reverse the chargeback again, so to do a chargeback is risky when not valid (fraud etc).

The casino, the casino provider and the credit card company will all keep track.

[colly]

Perhaps a US based lawyer can confirm - but my understanding is that if you paid with visa with an intention to charge back it is fraudulent and can be subject to criminal charges- the same as knowingly issuing rubber cheques.

[takethemoney]

There can be no good reason for someone to ask this question, unless they are contemplating doing it. Sorry to be so blunt. Why else, pray tell, would you need to be concerned with such matters?

[Nifty29]

There can be no good reason for someone to ask this question, unless they are contemplating doing it. Sorry to be so blunt. Why else, pray tell, would you need to be concerned with such matters?

Absolutely.

The OP must think we were born yesterday

[doomed4ever]

I'm in USA. I lost about $1400 with these casinos in the past 2 months. I always made $25 deposits, so 56 deposits. I have to say I played years ago and won more often with the MG slots at various casinos, but not anything anymore. rival casinos, well I never won anything over my bonus terms for some reason.

My questions is, what happens when a person does a visa chargeback for these casinos? Can you go to jail, if you, say dont recognize purchases and somehow it is tracked with IP or something else? What if you have done a chargeback before with visa, do they keep track of these?

Hi I would first question why you would ask this ? That aside some info I have learned from processing our own payments through a range of payment processors including our own merchant accounts. Prison is highly unlikely for any person running a chargeback unless it was blatent and consistant fraud. The truth is visa or MC dont give a damn about what a high risk merchant says and almost always side with the person making the chargeback. For most banks its an automated process with no comeback allowed by the merchant.

This is especiially true for high risk merchants (card holder not present) such as gaming and "other" certain sectors of this fine interenet. But merchants are allowed to black list a customer for life and they can use any LEGAL means in an attempt to recover money and the fines levied always at the merchant in the case of each chargeback. I recall one time we got hit with quite a big fraud. 1 user purchasing low priced services from us, in the range of 1 to 2 USD. We ended up with around 20 charge backs. It was not loosing the 1 / 2 usd it was the fine of between 35 to 40 usd that stung. And the fact this messed with our chargeback ratio which always has to remain under 1% in relation to sales volume.

In this case we were able to track the fraud to an affiliate. We did take private legal action to recover the funds but were not sucessfull. On other occasions it is possible to show proof of delivery of product what ever that may be. Digital download, etc . One course of action we always took was to contact the user explaining we have kept full logs of data downloaded from our servers, and this data will be sent by regular postal mail to our legal office and to his/her own address. Copys we told them would include FULL logs of all services they accessed and downloaded. This would result in around 10% of all chargebacks being paid back to us by the user along with the amount we were find by the card companys. But there ass was still blocked network wide from making purchases again.

The end result is no probably no legal action could be taken against the person running the chargeback unless it was for an extreme amount of. money , but any person doing a chargback should have a long hard think first as they could quickly find themselves blocked from making further purchases or in this case "deposits" ALWAYS opt for a refund if you feel you have been wronged. Cbs should be an absolute last course of action if for example a service was not delivered or given. And they should not ever be used as a method to "reclaim" losses from a casino. I have a life long hatred of chargebacks as quite a few times it has caused us alot of grief and worry. And basicially have zero sympathy for anyone running them. There is always another course of action Here endeth the Lesson Never YE chargeback EVER!

[mwhitak2]

Hi, I'm new to the forums. I just wanted to express my frustration about an issue with withdrawing from Casino Rewards. I have had accounts with them for over 4 years. I stopped playing two years ago, and then started last week.

I had a UseMyWallet account also. But I made a chargeback on another casino group a long time ago. Anyway my UseMyWallet account was locked for this.

I emailed UseMyWallet asking why, and they said something about violating terms of service, etc. and they wouldn't let me reopen or fix my account, ever again.

So I called Casino Rewards and asked the rep if there was any other way to withdraw if I was to win because I wont deposit unless I can withdraw, he said, "Sure, if you win something we will find a way to pay you, no problem!"

So I deposited for a few days and played and won... $5000 playing several slots. I called the US phone number and inquired about my withdraw. The rep put me on hold, then proceeded to tell me to call back on Monday to speak to someone in the Payments Department.

Well, like often is the case, I couldn't resist the temptation to gamble.. especially now that I had to wait all weekend to withdraw. So, long story short and a lot of wasted time gambling up and down all weekend... I lost the $5000 back to the casino. Boo Hoo.

Anyway I called the rep Monday, she said that the ONLY way to withdraw is with a UseMyWallet account in good standing. NO OTHER OPTIONS, period, for US players.

So, I ponder this.. If I deposited thinking I was going to be able to withdraw, based on what Casino Rewards stated to me before my deposits about 'finding a way' to withdraw, then did I not waste my time and money on a frivolous venture with no promise of a payout. Am I not now entitled to receive at least my deposits back. Or, as the lady so eloquently put it, "you played the money so you got what you payed for."

I kick myself now for playing my wins back. Any thoughts would be fine..

The above is a post that you had back in January stating that you have done a charge back before. I also noticed where you were wanting advice on the possibilities of getting your deposits back after playing back winnings of $5000.

I see that there seems to be a pattern of losing and then gamblers regret and wanting to recoup your losses by the casino (through charge backs or other methods) refunding your deposits. As other posters have pointed out your motives in asking this "hypothetical" question seem off.

I can only wonder why you want to know how the process of charge backs work and any negative consequences you may suffer from them. Especially, since you already know the process from doing it before.