Doubts about Vegas online casino

[Rusty]

More provocation, and a persecution whinge to boot it appears.

Please give it a rest, Rusty and let's get back to gambling stuff that you're good at.

You're late to a party you weren't invited to and next time bring beer instead of "whine".
There is plenty of "gambling stuff" in this thread from VWM and myself, feel free to contribute to that by all means.

[vinylweatherman]

You're late to a party you weren't invited to and next time bring beer instead of "whine".
There is plenty of "gambling stuff" in this thread from VWM and myself, feel free to contribute to that by all means.

He IS invited by default. Any "party" held in the public forum is open to any CM member.

DogBoy works for a company that designs slot games. It was RTG that got it wrong, not DogBoy, when making up that set of web pages.

DogBoy cannot speak for RTG themselves, but what I succeeded in doing by reopening the FRuit Frenzy debate was to have him forget himself for a moment, and reveal what the RTP of that variant was in his defence of it's use by an operator.

The "trap" was to suggest it was a 60% setting, which DogBoy had to correct by saying it was 91%. He didn't have much choice really, as he couldn't say it was 95%, and if he said 97.5% it would have been a lie. This forced him to reveal that a setting that didn't exist at all on those pages actually DID exist.


This also seems to me an indication that in order to get answers out of DogBoy, we have to put forward credible arguments in support of the WRING answer, which has to be MORE "rogue" than the correct one. DogBoy will then correct any "technical misconception".

It seems reasonable to expand his recent "technical correction" to ALL the slots at RTG, and presume that ALL were given 3 variants, and these were ALL 91%, 95%, and 97.5%. PROGRESSIVE slots are all 94% - no alternate settings. I would presume the "missing 1%" is the contribution to the progressive pool.

The "super user" question is more an RTG one, rather than one of slot design, but RTG answered this one through their actions (as in "please remove that picture of a super user console from the forum").

[Nifty29]

You're late to a party you weren't invited to and next time bring beer instead of "whine".
There is plenty of "gambling stuff" in this thread from VWM and myself, feel free to contribute to that by all means.

What you said was completely unnecessary and unprovoked.

Jetset is about as even-handed and polite as you can get.

Shows how much your 'apology that wasn't an apology' is worth.

Now back to the RTG settings argument....

I believe it was Bryan (after contacting RTG) that stated the 91% setting was only for 'booths' - not Dogboy.

IMO there are some members who just hate having someone around who knows more than they do about something and try everything possible to either discredit them or derail the posts they contribute to. We are talking about someone who isn't interested in the politics or the 'player vs casino' mindset, but rather about the facts associated with the software.

I really don't understand why members don't embrace this kind of information and be respectful of those who take the time to provide it. Attempting to 'trap' them or pick out things from 12 months ago is pointless and is nothing but an exercise in point scoring.

If members want to ignore the facts provided by those who actually design the software, then so be it - but at least consider that others might like to actually learn something, and turning it into a pi*sing match to prove who is smarter than who is really childish.

AFAIK, Dogboy is the only member here who has first-hand knowledge of the inner workings of RTG slots and how they are designed. It's about time some members deferred to a more knowledgable person on this subject and stopped pretending they know more - because they don't.

[maxd]

With all due respect to your opinions guys we don't need another mud-slinging match here, and that's surely where this is going. Since the rhetoric is unlikely to shame anyone into becoming a better person I suggest a collective shrug and we all move on.

[jetset]

You are correct Max.

Rusty's response to my criticism should not have provoked further comment from myself, and I have edited out my reaction to it.

[Nifty29]

I also apologize Max

[Rusty]

You are correct Max.

Rusty's response to my criticism should not have provoked further comment from myself, and I have edited out my reaction to it.

I agree.
I also should of not responded to your response which was a complete derail and did not add to the thread in any useful way.
I much prefer our rational debates to this nonsense and do respect your opinions so let's move on.

IMO there are some members who just hate having someone around who knows more than they do about something and try everything possible to either discredit them or derail the posts they contribute to. We are talking about someone who isn't interested in the politics or the 'player vs casino' mindset, but rather about the facts associated with the software.

Nifty, you really are full of it.
why do you assume somebody with a vested interest in the industry has only facts even though this has actaully been disproved and the evidence is in this very thread?
As for mindsets - it is clear yours is completely fixed and you have an obvious bias.

I really don't understand why members don't embrace this kind of information and be respectful of those who take the time to provide it. Attempting to 'trap' them or pick out things from 12 months ago is pointless and is nothing but an exercise in point scoring.

You see this is the sort of utter garbage you continually churn out with a complete disregard for the facts.
Dogboy would not of even been here for you to fawn over if it were not for certain members questioning how the RTG software operated.
Obviously you were not one of those members so for you to try and take the moral high ground really does show how superficial your protestations are.
Oh and why worry about anyone being trapped if they only dispensing facts not that this is what happens anyway?

If members want to ignore the facts provided by those who actually design the software, then so be it - but at least consider that others might like to actually learn something, and turning it into a pi*sing match to prove who is smarter than who is really childish.

AFAIK, Dogboy is the only member here who has first-hand knowledge of the inner workings of RTG slots and how they are designed. It's about time some members deferred to a more knowledgable person on this subject and stopped pretending they know more - because they don't.

Says you and given your track record I think I and many other members will treat that slur with the disdain it deserves.
How about you visit some of the old threads where I and Dogboy debate the RTG software quite amicably.
I have no problem debating these things and many other issues that surround online gaming with other credible forum members and there are dozens of threads where I strongly disagree with other members without it becoming personal.
I have never once seen you add any constructive debate to any of the big issues.
That is the difference with you and why I have no time for you or your ramblings.You have proven time and time again that you do not want to enter into proper debate and would rather derail threads with the kind of unfounded garbage you have all too predictably spouted in this thread.

You are worried about the lack of knowledge of certain posters that know infinitely more than you?
Where does that leave you then?

[Casinomeister]

@ Rusty and Nifty - please put each other on one's ignore list - thanks.

No more personal jibes in the thread, okay? Thank you.

[takethemoney]

I'm more interested in where all the information that has been brought forth, albeit, not all new, is taking us, and much less interested in the drama. We can watch Jerry Springer and get that!

[Nifty29]

@ Rusty and Nifty - please put each other on one's ignore list - thanks.

No more personal jibes in the thread, okay? Thank you.

Aye Aye Cap'n