Very Fast Payout Slot of F
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Weplant - I'm surprised you didnt check the Not Recommended List here at CM or at least follow the latest threads.
If you did , you might realise that Slots of Fortune has been involved in a long running dispute and is in the Rogue Pit (Not Recommended Section)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotsoffortune-rival-casino-steals-my-money.40414/
I am also surprised that KK is still promoting them. Then again, maybe I'm not. I thought he may have re-considered his position on Rival Casinos but it seems he believes they are 100% safe and should not be on the Rogue List (which is his right on his website).
It's wonderful that they paid you faster than anybody else (wouldn't have anything to do with getting some free PR at CM of course...
). I just hope that you don't win anything large as you either won't get it or you will wait months while they trickle it down to you.
On a side note, I notice that you seem to play at a lot of dodgy places like Top Game and white label Rivals (among others) - in fact, anywhere that you can get a bonus. My advice would be to be very careful where you choose to take bonuses, as it is almost certain that, at some stage (particularly if you win big), you will get screwed. I guess what I am saying is that it is in your best interest to keep abreast of what's happening here at CM and to stick to the accredited operators as much as possible....at least then you have a chance to work things out if there is a problem.
Please don't take this as criticism- just friendly advice from someone who has been there and done that
P.S. You didn't need to start a new thread as you already started one yesterday about SoF. Maybe you could ask Max to merge them
If you did , you might realise that Slots of Fortune has been involved in a long running dispute and is in the Rogue Pit (Not Recommended Section)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotsoffortune-rival-casino-steals-my-money.40414/
I am also surprised that KK is still promoting them. Then again, maybe I'm not. I thought he may have re-considered his position on Rival Casinos but it seems he believes they are 100% safe and should not be on the Rogue List (which is his right on his website).
It's wonderful that they paid you faster than anybody else (wouldn't have anything to do with getting some free PR at CM of course...
). I just hope that you don't win anything large as you either won't get it or you will wait months while they trickle it down to you.On a side note, I notice that you seem to play at a lot of dodgy places like Top Game and white label Rivals (among others) - in fact, anywhere that you can get a bonus. My advice would be to be very careful where you choose to take bonuses, as it is almost certain that, at some stage (particularly if you win big), you will get screwed. I guess what I am saying is that it is in your best interest to keep abreast of what's happening here at CM and to stick to the accredited operators as much as possible....at least then you have a chance to work things out if there is a problem.
Please don't take this as criticism- just friendly advice from someone who has been there and done that
P.S. You didn't need to start a new thread as you already started one yesterday about SoF. Maybe you could ask Max to merge them
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Congratulations for getting paid but... get your documents ready for the next time because the casino will request them and you`ll have to wait 1-2 weeks minimum to get paid.
I don`t know why Rival does this sometimes ,if the amount withdrawn is not too big they pay without asking questions but then if you`re lucky to make a second withdrawal...
I don`t know why Rival does this sometimes ,if the amount withdrawn is not too big they pay without asking questions but then if you`re lucky to make a second withdrawal...
Weplant - I'm surprised you didnt check the Not Recommended List here at CM or at least follow the latest threads.
If you did , you might realise that Slots of Fortune has been involved in a long running dispute and is in the Rogue Pit (Not Recommended Section)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotsoffortune-rival-casino-steals-my-money.40414/
I am also surprised that KK is still promoting them. Then again, maybe I'm not. I thought he may have re-considered his position on Rival Casinos but it seems he believes they are 100% safe and should not be on the Rogue List (which is his right on his website).
It's wonderful that they paid you faster than anybody else (wouldn't have anything to do with getting some free PR at CM of course...
On a side note, I notice that you seem to play at a lot of dodgy places like Top Game and white label Rivals (among others) - in fact, anywhere that you can get a bonus. My advice would be to be very careful where you choose to take bonuses, as it is almost certain that, at some stage (particularly if you win big), you will get screwed. I guess what I am saying is that it is in your best interest to keep abreast of what's happening here at CM and to stick to the accredited operators as much as possible....at least then you have a chance to work things out if there is a problem.
Please don't take this as criticism- just friendly advice from someone who has been there and done that
P.S. You didn't need to start a new thread as you already started one yesterday about SoF. Maybe you could ask Max to merge them
Thanks for the advice..I have played at some topgame casinos, but the only I still play at occassionaly is Winward ..I also make the big mistake a while ago of playing at Club Player..However. the bonus I took at Slot of Fortune was the first one Ihave taken in months..I do not like to play with bonuses..It never fails, you seem to hit something and it keeps you going and as soon as you approach your playthrough it is sucked up...Believe me, I always appreciate advice...
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Just for clarification, they are not on CasinoMeister's rogue list, the are in the "Not Recommended" section.
These sections clearly indicate different "classes" of casino - otherwise, why have 2 separate sections?
I do not promote ANY casinos who are on CM's rogue list.
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Its OK KK, I understand.
The dollar is more important. After all, if the player gets stiffed you still get paid.
I am amazed that you are splitting hairs on this issue. I would think that most people would consider Not Recommended to be just as bad as Rogue i.e. they should avoid playing there.
As I said, you are free to promote whichever casino you like. However, you can expect your integrity to assessed accordingly.
Your recent refusal to accept the terrible business practices of white label Rival operators has caused me to lose respect for you. I'm sure that means little to you, but to me it is very sad. I also feel sorry for those suckers who trust that these operators are all hunky-dory and click on your banners.
I expected a higher level of integrity from you KK - I always saw you as one of the good guys.
P.S. I see you still promote Rockbet which is has the same owners as This Is Vegas. I suppose you can personally gaurantee that those same people won't pull the same stunts.
Maybe he will be the cause of Bryan making all affiliates remove their siggy links to their sites again as The King and others continue to ignore the siggy forum rule for rogue casinos in The Rogue Pit.Its OK KK, I understand.
The dollar is more important. After all, if the player gets stiffed you still get paid.
I am amazed that you are splitting hairs on this issue. I would think that most people would consider Not Recommended to be just as bad as Rogue i.e. they should avoid playing there.
As I said, you are free to promote whichever casino you like. However, you can expect your integrity to assessed accordingly.
Your recent refusal to accept the terrible business practices of white label Rival operators has caused me to lose respect for you. I'm sure that means little to you, but to me it is very sad. I also feel sorry for those suckers who trust that these operators are all hunky-dory and click on your banners.
I expected a higher level of integrity from you KK - I always saw you as one of the good guys.
P.S. I see you still promote Rockbet which is has the same owners as This Is Vegas. I suppose you can personally gaurantee that those same people won't pull the same stunts.
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I admire both KK and Nifty and respect their different veiws, this is how I see it.
Im 100% fine with promoting SOF, there has never been a problem getting a player paid as far as I go, there are Rivals we flat out refuse to promote and this is something that each affy should be prepared to back up why if they do. I have chattted with SOF many many times and have been assured that players will always get paid and I trust them.
A good affy will know how and whom to get in touch with should any problem arise at a moments notice and the top issue should be about the players and not about the money, players come first, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Laurie
Im 100% fine with promoting SOF, there has never been a problem getting a player paid as far as I go, there are Rivals we flat out refuse to promote and this is something that each affy should be prepared to back up why if they do. I have chattted with SOF many many times and have been assured that players will always get paid and I trust them.
A good affy will know how and whom to get in touch with should any problem arise at a moments notice and the top issue should be about the players and not about the money, players come first, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Laurie
You said the same about TIV in the past (before you became an affiliate and while TIV was screwing others). I can pull the post(s). Read the forum rules on your siggy please
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See what you started Weplant. 
Christmas must be coming.
Christmas must be coming.
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Just a quick observation. Please don't let this thread spiral out of control, as it's the weekend, I'm at the football and everyone else will be spending time with their families.
LOL!
Your "forum rules" link came in handy
......Let's see!!Where is the Linkmuppet??
Off to my Football game as the Gators are in NashVegas. Kick-off in one hour
See what you started Weplant.
Christmas must be coming.
Boy did i open a can of worms..I was just happy with getting paid so quickly by SOF and by the personal attention I was receiving by their rep, Stephen.
Well at least we are not talking about 3dice for a change
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Well, I honestly hope the negative comments of SOF are wrong..I just made a 40.00 deposit, did not take a bonus, it was down to a couple of dollars very quickly then started hitting, withdrew 300.00..Time will tell..I am trusting I will get paid very quickly again and if so it will certainly convince me to make this my rival casino..
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Maybe you will get paid Monday? I wonder if they pay on weekends?
I gotta try them out. I like the bonus with 15x...you never see that at Rivals, do you?
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See what you started Weplant.
Christmas must be coming.
Yep, and it looks like all are going to get a very big chunk of coal!!! Too Damn many ornery posters here!
I just got a email confirming my withdrawl..When you request withdrawl it says it can take 2-5 days to process and you have a 24 hour reversal time. But yesterday I was paid within a couple of hours. The rep here seems to be very active ...I would give them a try...Good luck
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I am sure that when making that comment, you knew that nothing could be further from the truth. I care deeply about what you say and if someone asked me to name the 5 posters on CM I respect the most, your name would definitely be on my list. You are probably the poster who I have thanked the most in my time here.
However, you have chosen to hop on the “all Rival white labels are evil” bandwagon along with several others here, including the Meister himself. I fully can understand why you’ve all done that given the problems at SOME of them in recent months, but in reality it simply is not fair, in my honest opinion, to tar ALL of them with the same brush.
I have been a regular player of many Rival casinos since earlyin 2007 and never had ANY problems with any of then (apart from being “bonus-banned” for winning too much
). I believe they are the second most profitable software I have ever played, behind MG. I have obviously also been working with most of them as a webmaster for a similar period, and also (with a few exceptions) have had very little to complain about. IMPO they (Rival) run a very fair operation.Regarding SoF: I am waiting for the final outcome of the issue in the complaints section here, which I believe is still ongoing. I am extremely unhappy with their actions in that case, and I believe my stern e-mail to them directly led to them removing the unacceptable clause from their terms. They are on a knife edge with me and in the meantime I have already marked them as not recommended on my “Rival specific” websites. They will be similarly marked on KK when I get the chance to update my site (with a new baby & a toddler in the house it’s hard to even get near my PC!).
As regards the $ being important, let me say I have earned just $63.33 for promoting SoF for the last 6-months, of which I have not yet received 1c because it is below their minimum payment. Do you think I could care less about that? It’s not about the $, it’s about fairness; I have dozens of casinos on my sites from whom I have earned $0 for years (if ever), but I keep them on there because I believe they are good, honest casinos.
Anyway, sorry Weplant for the derail. Congratulations on your wins and I hope your second cash-out is processed as quickly as the first!
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Not that anyone asked me, but likewise, I respect your views, and believe you are honest. There are also others here - CM himself, silc, maven, others - whose integrity, IMHO, is clearly above reproach.
On the other hand, there ARE honest differences of opinion about casino matters - specific and general - and I believe that your views are very likely based upon a long history of playing at online casinos plus hard data/information. These differences sometimes leads to squinched noses and stepped-on toes, lol.
But regardless, this forum is the Go To forum for casino info and you are part of why that is. Keep fighting the good fight, KK!
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Have to agree with KK on this one.
I highly disagree with the way SOF handled things, but there might be more to that story we dont know, thats why a PAB would be great.
There are many Rival whitelabels that never generated any complaints after beeing in business for years.
Vegas Regal, Superior, Tropica are now rogue, but these places really dont belong there.
They operate on a much higher level than for example 21Grand.
So we're talking about the integrety of the software provider?
Then why not rogue every single RTG casino out there?
After all, RTG have proven they dont give a rats a$$ to who they licence their software to, every criminal organisation on the planet can start a RTG casino, as long as they pay the fees.
Their Central Dispute System is a joke.
(Would you be so kind to pay this player? If not, eh...eh.. WE'RE GOING TO ASK AGAIN!!)
Now that will make them wet their pants.
Places like SlotsNuts or Cleopatras Palace do not have a history of NOT paying players, instead they have NO history of ever PAYING a player.
Does RTG care? No way.
Oh, and its now also clear that RTG operators can change their slots RTP on the fly.
That statement from RTG that operators have to request this appears to be a blatant lie.
But oh, thats about slots, so thats not important, as slotplayers will never notice the difference of a doubled or even quadrupled house edge anyway, as they are all stupid.
And if they do, we can just say they're all sore losers and should STFU.
As long as our beloved videopoker and blackjack are OK, its all good, right?
Just dont tar all Rivals with the same brush.
Its just not fair for the operators who really try to run a proper business.
And its just too easy.
I highly disagree with the way SOF handled things, but there might be more to that story we dont know, thats why a PAB would be great.
There are many Rival whitelabels that never generated any complaints after beeing in business for years.
Vegas Regal, Superior, Tropica are now rogue, but these places really dont belong there.
They operate on a much higher level than for example 21Grand.
So we're talking about the integrety of the software provider?
Then why not rogue every single RTG casino out there?
After all, RTG have proven they dont give a rats a$$ to who they licence their software to, every criminal organisation on the planet can start a RTG casino, as long as they pay the fees.
Their Central Dispute System is a joke.
(Would you be so kind to pay this player? If not, eh...eh.. WE'RE GOING TO ASK AGAIN!!)
Now that will make them wet their pants.
Places like SlotsNuts or Cleopatras Palace do not have a history of NOT paying players, instead they have NO history of ever PAYING a player.
Does RTG care? No way.
Oh, and its now also clear that RTG operators can change their slots RTP on the fly.
That statement from RTG that operators have to request this appears to be a blatant lie.
But oh, thats about slots, so thats not important, as slotplayers will never notice the difference of a doubled or even quadrupled house edge anyway, as they are all stupid.
And if they do, we can just say they're all sore losers and should STFU.
As long as our beloved videopoker and blackjack are OK, its all good, right?
Just dont tar all Rivals with the same brush.
Its just not fair for the operators who really try to run a proper business.
And its just too easy.
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I don't play at any Rivals, ever. I just don't like the software, but I am sure there are some honest ones out there. I think KK and any other webmaster have the right to promote casinos that he/she deems fair and trustworthy.
weplant, I hope your cashout is just as fast and smooth as the first one was. Congrats on both of them.
weplant, I hope your cashout is just as fast and smooth as the first one was. Congrats on both of them.
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Yep, and it looks like all are going to get a very big chunk of coal!!! Too Damn many ornery posters here!
yes ornery posters we are lol
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I play at Tropica, VR, and sometimes Sloto. No issues ever for Tropica, VR pays out inconsistent but within the 5 business days. Last payment from VR was on the same day as the withdrawal. Of course, no issues with Sloto. It does speed things up if you request a flush.
I wouldn't label them all bad either.
Slots of fortune Casino have stolen more then 1.000 € from me avoid them at all cost !!!
Take a look at Bryans final statement in this thread , there is nothing more .....
I have only plaid at Cleopatra and they paid me after 3 month . Seems i was lucky there .
@Weplant
You are lucky that you received your winnings , but you have to be careful there is a high risk they will steal you winnings . The higher your win the higher the chance Slots of fortune will steal your money .
Gambling is not safe but you can reduce the risk of not getting paid if you choose safe places . Take a look at the site , the casinos which are advertised here are safe and not rogue .
Take a look at Bryans final statement in this thread , there is nothing more .....
I have only plaid at Cleopatra and they paid me after 3 month . Seems i was lucky there .
@Weplant
You are lucky that you received your winnings , but you have to be careful there is a high risk they will steal you winnings . The higher your win the higher the chance Slots of fortune will steal your money .
Gambling is not safe but you can reduce the risk of not getting paid if you choose safe places . Take a look at the site , the casinos which are advertised here are safe and not rogue .
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Completely agree Heador...and any webmaster or player who advocates playing there, is basically slapping you in the face.
More to the story? The guy played high variance slots at max bet, and got LUCKY. He just as easily could have zeroed out within a very few spins. Since when did playing slots become a form of advantage play? And what about Rival's oh so famous bonus abuser list? Where was this when Heador was depositing and losing? He was welcome to deposit and claim bonuses all he liked as long as he was losing. Soon as he got lucky and won...he's a "known" bonus abuser.
Bullshit. And shame on you KK and Laurie for defending these guys. I like you both, but this is EXACTLY why I don't want to make friends on these forums....I want to be able to call bullshit when I see it, and when I'm friends with people it makes it a whole lot harder to do. It is absolutely nothing personal...but you know this is wrong.
And Weplant...have fun with your "blood money", which is basically what it is when a casino picks and chooses who to pay as they see fit.
Enough is enough...I simply made a simple comment that i had played at a casino for the first time and was paid quickly..Thats it...Now for you to call my small winnings "BLOOD MONEY" is totally uncalled for and quite insulting...No one is forcing you to play there or anywhere else..Lighten up!!!!!
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Wow, what will be said next?
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I have nothing to be ashamed of and with what I have faced this past 3 weeks, your post doesnt phase me one iota about shame, If Bryan wants me to remove my affy sig after being a long time posting member on this forum and promoting this group, so be it.
There are good Rival casinos out there just like other platforms who have some of the worst casinos and I will run my forum as I see fit and fair for the members.
The comment about blood money was uncalled for imho, people are going to play where they want, you can not control that and like KK we have never made a dime on the several Rivals we do promote.Its not about the money, its about players getting paid and so far we have had no complaints.
Laurie
There are good Rival casinos out there just like other platforms who have some of the worst casinos and I will run my forum as I see fit and fair for the members.
The comment about blood money was uncalled for imho, people are going to play where they want, you can not control that and like KK we have never made a dime on the several Rivals we do promote.Its not about the money, its about players getting paid and so far we have had no complaints.
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What about when people PAB for an accredited casino and win the PAB? Isn't the casino in question picking and choosing who they will pay? Until they get caught obviously.
If Bryan doesn't have a problem with KK, Laurie or whomever, I don't believe anyone else should, at least not at this forum.
I think that "blood money" comment was quite insulting to Weplant also.
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And I think that starting a thread telling everyone how quickly you got paid at a rogue casino, especially AFTER you already asked for opinions previously on this same rogue casino (and were given a link to the thread describing Heador's situation)...is more than insulting.
Weplant asks for feedback, gets all the info they need, and then posts this thread anyway. There ya go Heador...I got paid, but you didn't...you dirty old bonus abuser. Wait til Weplant doesn't get paid.
Good Rivals? Very few of the white label variety, considering they all use the same shitty support and same hit or miss payment processing. Maybe you'll get paid today, maybe next week. Mehhh...who knows? Add in the ridiculous bonus banning system (which of course failed them miserably in Heador's case didn't it....how convenient), and the fact that none of them (except for maybe Vegas Regal, when Nicholas was there) pay out progressive wins in one lump sum, but instead dole it out in weekly and monthly payments....which is a sure sign of a casino with cash flow and ethics issues. The white label Rivals are very much like the shitty and cirminal RTG operations. Whereas the Slotocash's and the Box 24's are the Inetbet's and the Clubworld's of the Rival world.
There's more but why bother? Me calling it blood money when someone brags about a fast payout from the same casino that is currently screwing over one of their fellow members...that's insulting to some of you? Ha...some community.
I find it insulting that anyone could say they play at or promote this shit hole...do you have rocks in your heads...for real? No different than Virtual. A casino claiming advantage play on high variance slots...and instead of boycotting them and blacklisting them...you're singing their praises.
But I'm the insulting one? Yeah okay...no wonder I don't post here anymore. Or not very much. Rocks I tell ya...
I'm curious why Weplant started the other thread at all asking for feedback on Slots of Fortune? Given the link to the thread in question, and completely ignores it. What's the point? I've said it before....casinos should need a license to operate..so should affiliates have to be licensed. And players should be forced to take some kind of casino IQ test before they are allowed to plop their money down.
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First you say "blood money" to a forum member, now you are saying some forum members have "rocks in their heads", but then use the term "community"? Who treats their community with those comments? That's probably why you don't post here very much anymore.
Doesn't make sense to bring up the words community/fellow members, then give those same members a right hook.
As for the rest of your post, I guess everyone will have to wait for Weplant to respond.
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Once again, Slots of Fortune is NOT a rogued casino here at Casinomeister.
If the final outcome of Heador's situation is that Bryan decides that the casino should be rogued I will fully support his decision and will completely remove all links to them from all my sites.
I don't know about other countries, but here in the UK we believe in "innocent until proved guilty".
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If Weplant is actually getting paid when he wins and is having fun, than that is all that matters. It is at his own risk if he wants to play at a site that is not accredited. I have only once bought in on a rival site and they never paid me. I think it was called orangegamez or something like that. I won on a nondeposit bonus and when I tried to cash out they wanted me to deposit first and then make my withdrawal. i took everyones advice on here and chose not to make the deposit and let them keep the money I won. I did not want to take a chance. The thing that makes my weary about Slots of F, and Weplants situation, is that it seems to good to be true. paying you out in a matter of hours seems amazing, but it might a way to try and get you to play there more often and once you win big they won't pay. This happened to me years ago on golden palace. I was winning at golden palace a lot and kept making small withdrawals for around 200.00 and once i finally hit a real jackpot and got up to close to 2k and tried to cashout, they never paid me. But, weplant might have found a good place for him to personally play. After seeing how bad he has been doing on some other sites from his posts, it could be very refreshing to start winning. And as KK noted, it not listed as a rogue casino! If I personally only played at the casinos on the accredited list I would be broke and not be able to play online anymore. I have played at a few sites that are not accredited and done well. But, I guess we will see what happens with weplant and make our decision from there. I don't think it is very polite for people to flame or be mean to Weplant just because he chose to play somewhere that is under criticism. If it was actually in the rogue pit he would not have played there. 
Just to clarify, the sites I have played on that are not accredited are the ones that have not yet been reviewed. i have only once recently played on a rogue site, and that was before seeing it was a rogue, and of they did not pay me LOL Anyways..
I had to edit my post because I wrote about having a bad experience on slots of fortune, but it was actually slots of vegas that had ripped me off.
Just to clarify, the sites I have played on that are not accredited are the ones that have not yet been reviewed. i have only once recently played on a rogue site, and that was before seeing it was a rogue, and of they did not pay me LOL Anyways..I had to edit my post because I wrote about having a bad experience on slots of fortune, but it was actually slots of vegas that had ripped me off.
If Weplant is actually getting paid when he wins and is having fun, than that is all that matters. It is at his own risk if he wants to play at a site that is not accredited. I have only once bought in on a rival site and they never paid me. I think it was called orangegamez or something like that. I won on a nondeposit bonus and when I tried to cash out they wanted me to deposit first and then make my withdrawal. i took everyones advice on here and chose not to make the deposit and let them keep the money I won. I did not want to take a chance. The thing that makes my weary about Slots of F, and Weplants situation, is that it seems to good to be true. paying you out in a matter of hours seems amazing, but it might a way to try and get you to play there more often and once you win big they won't pay. This happened to me years ago on golden palace. I was winning at golden palace a lot and kept making small withdrawals for around 200.00 and once i finally hit a real jackpot and got up to close to 2k and tried to cashout, they never paid me. But, weplant might have found a good place for him to personally play. After seeing how bad he has been doing on some other sites from his posts, it could be very refreshing to start winning. And as KK noted, it not listed as a rogue casino! If I personally only played at the casinos on the accredited list I would be broke and not be able to play online anymore. I have played at a few sites that are not accredited and done well. But, I guess we will see what happens with weplant and make our decision from there. I don't think it is very polite for people to flame or be mean to Weplant just because he chose to play somewhere that is under criticism. If it was actually in the rogue pit he would not have played there.
I had to edit my post because I wrote about having a bad experience on slots of fortune, but it was actually slots of vegas that had ripped me off.
WHOOPS! sorry pokerdan, I meant to reply to pinababy's post not yours..
No biggie, but weplant is a gal not a guy....I saw SOF on KK website and that is why I played there..I entered SOF into the search and saw that several people had a good experience there..
I don't know where you get off being so rude and insulting..your are not in my head and do not know what i am thinking..To suggest that I started that post as a way to thumb my nose at fellow player is way over the line..But, maybe that is how you think, maybe that is something you would do..
You are putting way too much thought into this..I was just happy to find a rival casino that I was able to make a payout and got paid quickly..NOTHING ELSE!! There was no hidden agenda behind it....I am sorry for the person that did not get paid..I would hate to see anyone (including yourself) be ripped off by a casino..
I am fairly new this online gambling and I have played at some good places and not so good. I am learning...But one thing I know for sure is that I would never intentionally try to hurt, insult or demean another person...Maybe you need to take a look inside yourself and realize we are not all out to get or hurt someone...
I thought maybe I should not post here anymore but then realized that is ridiculous, I was just trying to share something positive. Certainly not trying to upset anyone...
Thank you pokerdan for your kind words..
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Well, I believe this has gone on way past civility.
"Blood money", now come on, Pina. That's pretty out there IMHO. You might want to take a deep breath and think before you post. Words said are like cards laid, you can't take them back.
Just saying.
"Blood money", now come on, Pina. That's pretty out there IMHO. You might want to take a deep breath and think before you post. Words said are like cards laid, you can't take them back.
Just saying.
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A while back, I decided (just like in this case) that anytime I post anything about a casino doing something right I will post a "disclaimer" that it is my personal experience. Now you know why. IMHO weplant just posted what she experienced. I thought this was a forum where you could post most anything and NOT get "tarred and feathered" . I guess I was wrong...and don't tell me about the good Rivals/Bad Rivals I've heard it ad naseum...we play, we don't play, we share experiences. Mt. Olympus can be a very lonely place. We mortals still have a lot to learn
A while back, I decided (just like in this case) that anytime I post anything about a casino doing something right I will post a "disclaimer" that it is my personal experience. Now you know why. IMHO weplant just posted what she experienced. I thought this was a forum where you could post most anything and NOT get "tarred and feathered" . I guess I was wrong...and don't tell me about the good Rivals/Bad Rivals I've heard it ad naseum...we play, we don't play, we share experiences. Mt. Olympus can be a very lonely place. We mortals still have a lot to learn
Thank you oldtrvlagt..I was just posting a experience..Maybe I should keep my thoughts to myself..
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I always think before I post...and I pretty much always mean what I say.
Nice support from everyone here for a fellow member who got screwed out of a tidy sum by a rogue casino. And any casino who takes the line that they have...is rogue, no two ways about it.
If it should happen to one of you in the future, and it very well could if you continue to play at white label Rivals...think about how you would feel if one of your fellow members then proceeded to start a thread highlighting their own positive experience at the very same casino that just cheated you.
Unfortunately, that's the problem with alot of people nowadays...they're don't care about the collective, but only about themselves. Just like Pokerdan said...who cares as long as they're having fun and getting paid, right?
Nice attitude. I'll take my ignorant and rude self anyday, thanks.
I always think before I post...and I pretty much always mean what I say.
Nice support from everyone here for a fellow member who got screwed out of a tidy sum by a rogue casino. And any casino who takes the line that they have...is rogue, no two ways about it.
If it should happen to one of you in the future, and it very well could if you continue to play at white label Rivals...think about how you would feel if one of your fellow members then proceeded to start a thread highlighting their own positive experience at the very same casino that just cheated you.
Unfortunately, that's the problem with alot of people nowadays...they're don't care about the collective, but only about themselves. Just like Pokerdan said...who cares as long as they're having fun and getting paid, right?
Nice attitude. I'll take my ignorant and rude self anyday, thanks.
I am so done with this...Time to get onto better things..I really don't know what your problem is, but I stand by what I have stated over and over...
I was NOT starting a thread to thumb my nose at another player...Nothing was on my mind or my agenda except, hey , I played at this casino for th e first time and won a little something and I got played quickly..That is it!!!
I am really sick of your comments and acqusations.
Online gambling is something I do for a little fun to help me get through some tough times in my life..Making friends here is just a bonus..
I hope this thread gets closed and everyone moves on...Gamble, win and have fun..most of all, be true to yourself...
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There is more to that "fellow member" than meets the eye. I'm not making judgments or criticizing him, but 3 failed PABs give a bit of an indication that he may not be just a "recreational gambler". There is nothing wrong with that as long as he plays within the rules - in this particular case, he did not. The problem is, the rule he broke was fundamentally unfair and unreasonable.
I already helped pursued the casino to remove that term, and FYI I was on Skype to the SoF rep for an hour last night fighting Heador's case and trying to get a satisfactory resolution, even though he did not sign-up via my site.
They were "making the right noises" and though a final decision was not yet reached, I am cautiously optimistic.
I know for you own reasons you have a total hatred of everything Rival, but please take a step back a bit, take a deep breath and look again. They are no Virtual Group and not the devil incarnate!
KK
PS: Sorry again Weplant, for the derail. Please don't let a few negative posters stop you posting your good (or bad) experiences!
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I always think before I post...and I pretty much always mean what I say.
Nice support from everyone here for a fellow member who got screwed out of a tidy sum by a rogue casino. And any casino who takes the line that they have...is rogue, no two ways about it.
If it should happen to one of you in the future, and it very well could if you continue to play at white label Rivals...think about how you would feel if one of your fellow members then proceeded to start a thread highlighting their own positive experience at the very same casino that just cheated you.
Unfortunately, that's the problem with alot of people nowadays...they're don't care about the collective, but only about themselves. Just like Pokerdan said...who cares as long as they're having fun and getting paid, right?
Nice attitude. I'll take my ignorant and rude self anyday, thanks.
HAHA how true.. As I said.."As long as they are having AND GETTING PAID" It isn't fun if you don't get paid LMAO
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Oh and by the way, sorry I referred to you as a guy Weplant lol.
TGLKGKHKMYKTEMJKIWQSNNJUWSNNN2NSMMWQS,S,WS,,W,MD443I9I99IRMDMEMDMNRGMHYMKIMGFMThereismoretothatquoted"fellowmember"abovethanmeetstheeyeGREL,D,E,W.D.D,.TM,TGTRRKJYGGMHHMJNFRJIOKLWQLS,MD4UGGNHYJMH,JOPKLIPK.K.,F,DK,M,MSSThere is more to that "fellow member" than meets the eye. I'm not making judgments or criticizing him, but 3 failed PABs give a bit of an indication that he may not be just a "recreational gambler". There is nothing wrong with that as long as he plays within the rules - in this particular case, he did not. The problem is, the rule he broke was fundamentally unfair and unreasonable.
I already helped pursued the casino to remove that term, and FYI I was on Skype to the SoF rep for an hour last night fighting Heador's case and trying to get a satisfactory resolution, even though he did not sign-up via my site.
They were "making the right noises" and though a final decision was not yet reached, I am cautiously optimistic.
I know for you own reasons you have a total hatred of everything Rival, but please take a step back a bit, take a deep breath and look again. They are no Virtual Group and not the devil incarnate!
KK
PS: Sorry again Weplant, for the derail. Please don't let a few negative posters stop you posting your good (or bad) experiences!
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I always think before I post...and I pretty much always mean what I say.
Nice support from everyone here for a fellow member who got screwed out of a tidy sum by a rogue casino. And any casino who takes the line that they have...is rogue, no two ways about it.
If it should happen to one of you in the future, and it very well could if you continue to play at white label Rivals...think about how you would feel if one of your fellow members then proceeded to start a thread highlighting their own positive experience at the very same casino that just cheated you.
Unfortunately, that's the problem with alot of people nowadays...they're don't care about the collective, but only about themselves. Just like Pokerdan said...who cares as long as they're having fun and getting paid, right?
Nice attitude. I'll take my ignorant and rude self anyday, thanks.
I agree with what you're saying. But the bottom line is. People are gonna do what they want to regardless. As you stated the OP came here earlier asking questions about SOF. She did her homework and made the decision to deposit on her own. Even though SOF maybe in the rogue pit here by CM. To someone else SOF may not be. Just like 3dice is accredited here. But to some member they would not dare to deposit there. I do understand that CM will not take up a PAB from rogue casinos. But there are other sites that do. I for one play at Grand Prive casino. I know they are not recommended here and a few other places. But me personally never had an issue. But at the same token Inetbet is recommended here. And I've had issues where i wouldnt deposit with them any more.
You got to remember. To alot of us, It really isn't about the money. Its the thrill and the support of an addiction. If it was about the money. Why do we continue to deposit after losing and losing? Even when a rogue fail to pay us for any reason. We put up a fuss. But in the end we accept it and move on and deposit at another casino. Knowing fully what had happened at the prior casino.
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Note that there are other complaints about SoF on the net. Just because every single complaint isnt posted here doesnt mean that they dont exist.
The most condemning fact against SoF was this IMO:
While the casino returned the 100 Euros he had deposited to play this time it says it will only return the other 200 Euros in deposits, as it had promised, if David signs a paper stating that he lied.
The form the casino is demanding David sign says he must:
"a. Resign from all claims.
"b. Inform any third parties that were contacted by him in regards with information provided by him was not valid and truthful.
"c. Shall not disclose any details of this agreement and settlement."
In short, in order to get back his own 200 Euros, David would have to write to Gambling Grumbles and tell us that he lied about Slots of Fortune and then never let anyone know that the casino demanded it.
That is IMO even more roguish than just confiscating winnings with bogus reasoning. Shows the lack of ethics by the operator.
Plus any Rival white label that has been around for more than one year isnt to be taken seriously. I can somehow understand that at the beginning you choose to operate as a WL (E or if the CS and cashier is good which isnt the case with Rival) but if you arent able to make it as a standalone casino after one year I at least cant take you seriously.
And you cant compare Rival with lets say RTG. RTG doesnt run a white label farm. Its completely different to simply license the software than to basically run the whole show.
The most condemning fact against SoF was this IMO:
While the casino returned the 100 Euros he had deposited to play this time it says it will only return the other 200 Euros in deposits, as it had promised, if David signs a paper stating that he lied.
The form the casino is demanding David sign says he must:
"a. Resign from all claims.
"b. Inform any third parties that were contacted by him in regards with information provided by him was not valid and truthful.
"c. Shall not disclose any details of this agreement and settlement."
In short, in order to get back his own 200 Euros, David would have to write to Gambling Grumbles and tell us that he lied about Slots of Fortune and then never let anyone know that the casino demanded it.
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That is IMO even more roguish than just confiscating winnings with bogus reasoning. Shows the lack of ethics by the operator.
Plus any Rival white label that has been around for more than one year isnt to be taken seriously. I can somehow understand that at the beginning you choose to operate as a WL (E or if the CS and cashier is good which isnt the case with Rival) but if you arent able to make it as a standalone casino after one year I at least cant take you seriously.
And you cant compare Rival with lets say RTG. RTG doesnt run a white label farm. Its completely different to simply license the software than to basically run the whole show.
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Absolutely agree Spider. The only way they would return the other 200 Euros is if he went and posted on all the forums that he had lied. When in fact, by the casino's own posts...he hadn't lied at all. He was offered bonuses, allowed to deposit, claim them and lose...even though the casino insisted he is a "known bonus abuser". Where WAS that famous Rival bonus banning system? And then to top it all off, he made large bets on SLOTS!! The cheek of him...imagine.
Yes, everyone should be in a huge hurry to send players to these crooks.
KK, maybe the guy is an advantage player...so what? He was offered the bonuses....repeatedly. And there was no problem while he was losing, only once he won. Same old, same old. If you accept his money, and his bets....pay him. The man played slots with a slot bonus. Jeezus!! Once he's paid, lock his account, do whatever you like with him. But the casino's response? Ask him to sign an NDA, and tell everyone he lied...when it's obvious he didn't. Ethics just ooze from these guys.
Spider is also right about the RTG/Rival thing. Like comparing apples and oranges. Recommending that anyone play at the Rival white labels is like recommending they play at one of the rogue RTG operations. I have no problem with the stand alone Rivals that actually treat their players properly, and don't share the Rival support and payment processing ie. owned by Rival. So direct players to Slotocash, or Box 24 or the other one. The RTG casinos/groups are stand alone operations as far as we know...and thus, have to be judged individually. The Rival white labels are merely different arms of the same octopus.
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Tought of elaborating a bit on my view on white labels. Would Rival actually provide CS and processing of good quality then Ill could understand why someone would choose the WL solution in the long run. Edit: actually it could be good for many starting casinos to firstly go the WL route, maybe less failed "young" casinos? Assuming the WL solution is of good quality.
But currently both are far from even decent. At least to me it shows that the white labels arent in it for the long run. Just trying to get some easy bucks with minor efforts. The complete lack of ambition usually doesnt bode well in a highly competitive industry.
Are those the kind of casinos that you want to have your ultimate hot run at?
And whats with some that have opened a bunch of white labels? Trying to act like a real casino group?
But currently both are far from even decent. At least to me it shows that the white labels arent in it for the long run. Just trying to get some easy bucks with minor efforts. The complete lack of ambition usually doesnt bode well in a highly competitive industry.
Are those the kind of casinos that you want to have your ultimate hot run at?
And whats with some that have opened a bunch of white labels? Trying to act like a real casino group?
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