Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet Keno Rigged

[refre]

The software company seemes to license the software and is not owned by AP/UB. I think someone in the know about casino software might want to do some more ivestigation. This might be an evil software provider as opposed to a purely lazy one.

The software provider seems to be Betsoft Gaming.
They license their games to a variety of casinos, among them are Party casino, Sportsbook.com and MrGreen.

Had a quick look at MrGreen, it seems they don't have this particular game.
Don't know about the rest though.


Freddy

[Seventh777]

The theoretical RTP should be based on a complete cycle of all possible combinations with returns calculated from the paytable - along with any bonus or free spin rounds added in.
As to how that may reflect over shorter or longer periods of time would be down to the variance of the particular slot.
All the above assumes a completely fair game with no weighting.

1stly.. thx for your time in explaining this Rusty (albeit in several threads lol) it is highly appreciated .

2ndly..Sorry for slightly derailing your thread P.A. .

3rdly..... And the $64,000 question, are these cycles of all possible combinations assessed via individual play (which is pretty much how it seems to me) or as a result of how much an individual slot is played per casino?.

[Rusty]

1stly.. thx for your time in explaining this Rusty (albeit in several threads lol) it is highly appreciated .

2ndly..Sorry for slightly derailing your thread P.A. .

3rdly..... And the $64,000 question, are these cycles of all possible combinations assessed via individual play (which is pretty much how it seems to me) or as a result of how much an individual slot is played per casino?.

This is pokeraddicts thread but I'm sure he doesn't mind.
I will give you an answer here but if you want to know more you can always PM me.

When I say based on a complete cycle or total combinations I am referring to how many possible permutations (outcomes) there are on the slot.
So if a slot has 10 stop positions for each reel (10 symbols) and has 5 reels the total combinations possible are 10x10x10x10x10 = 100,000 different possible combinations.
Of course most slots have many more stop positions on each reel and the possible outcomes are in the millions.

To get the theoretical RTP from our 100,000 combination slot we would add up all the wins as we cycled through each and every combination.

We do this simply by stepping through the array (5 reels,10 stop positions) so array 1,1,1,1,1 would be our first spin with the stop position at 1 on each reel.
We then go onto the next position 1,1,1,1,2 until the 5th reel gets to ten then it would reset to one and the fourth reel would be incremented one so that our 11th step through the array would be 1,1,1,2,1.
We then increment the 5th reel up to ten again and repeat.
Think of it like a mileometer in your car ticking over.

After a complete cycle we know the total bet would of been 100,000 coins because we are looking at one line at a time and there are 100,000 spins (steps through the array)
So if our total was 95,000 coins the slot would have a theoretical RTP of 95%

The reason it is referred to as theoretical RTP is because when we introduce the RNG a player in 100,000 spins at 1 line would obviously not hit all 100,000 combinations once each - but if he did his return would be 95%

There is a real art to designing a slot that plays well - especially if you throw out probability tables and weighting algorithms.

[zanzibar]

Try contacting Michael Shackleford at wizardofodds dot com. He was a casino math professor in Las Vegas and loves this stuff.

[Pinababy69]

This has already been posted here:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...no-rigged.html

But Zanzibar has a good idea in re: Shackleford. His analysis of the poker hands (as in his industry rep) was instrumental in not allowing AP to bullshit their way out of the poker scandal.

[maxd]

Please note that Pina and zanzibar are referring to a thread started by AreYouCereus (see that post upthread, post #5): that thread has been merged with this one, hence the jumble.

[AreYouCereus]

Hehe,

I'm partly to blame for the confusion, sorry guys, I did do scan to see if it had already been mentioned and couldn't find anything.

Thanks for taking a closer look, much appreciated!

[vinylweatherman]

Regarding guaranteed RTP, if such a thing were true, it would probably work in a similar way to AWP games and it could be employed in any number of ways yet unlike a AWP game they would maintain randomness.

I very much doubt a Casino or software provider would be foolish enough to implement such a system though one never knows.

I think the more likely scenario is weighting which is basically just an advanced dynamic version of the above that retains randomness.
This would be very difficult to detect in slot games but in a game like Keno using a pseudo RNG it would stick out like a sore thumb if it were implemented poorly for the reasons I mention previously.
You couldn't cheat such a system though by forcing patterns because it would retain randomness.

Other than that it can only be a faulty RNG but if I have the facts correct, that the draws maintain randomness yet the results do not, then that can not be the case.

I'm not sure what you meant in your last paragraph. Are you talking about advertised theoretical RTP in paytables or audit results?

This would mean that the numbers selected by the player are deliberately being suppressed during the process of generating the results. This is cheating plain & simple. The players' selections should NEVER be used to weight the results of the draw, whether this is in the players' favour or not. This goes BEYOND mere weighting, and is CHEATING. It could be a means of guaranteeing profit for the operator, yet giving the APPEARANCE of the game being random. This is one of the main features advertised by the software vendor for "start_your_own_casino", and this would be down to "evil software".

What is even MORE serious about this allegation is that it is Absolute Poker, recently busted for a massive cheating scandal, and telling everybody it was the act of "rogue ex employees" and measures had been taken to ensure it could never happen again. If this latest allegation is shown to be true (statistically speaking), then we have the concern that it was NEVER "rogue employees" in the first place, but company policy to cheat players, but try not to get caught.

If evidence can be gathered to demonstrate that Keno is rigged, it should be sent to the Kahnawake, as now they have a more robust attitude to misbehaving licensees, and will NOT want the embarrassment of yet ANOTHER scandal having happened at Absolute Poker whilst they appeared to "look the other way" rather than take a hands on approach to ensuring that AP did indeed "play fair" after the cheating scandal.