Nothing good to say about online gaming

[4 of a kind]

I'm starting this thread actually in response to another thread titled "Does anyone have any good news" since I thought this didn't fit there.

Online casinos have chosen to let the industry evolve into what it has become today. Maybe it was a direct result of the uncertainty for their future after the UIGEA was passed in the USA. But everyone would have to agree that over the past few years online gaming has hit new lows. They have done nothing to improve their image and on the contrary have done a great deal in redefining the term “ROGUE”, constantly exhibiting never ending contemporary tactics never seen before, while keeping the old ones in place.

Like I said many times before I have never been screwed by any online casino in the past or too this day, and didn’t even know what goes on till joining this forum in March of 09. Up until 2007 I was always satisfied with my online gaming results. I could not care less what software platform the games were being run from nor even cared to find out. But after 2007, 2008, 2009, and this present year I realized things have changed drastically.

This led to me joining several other gaming forums and my desire to find out what was really going on. To me it became obvious that video poker which is the predominate game I play had to be running off a RTP platform like slots. After millions of hands over the last four year period it was obvious the probabilities were way out of range. This could only be a result of lowered RTP’s. So it’s obvious in the past these games were always run off an RTP platform but they were set high enough to equal expected returns from Random Draw. Any professional player would have never noticed the difference or have any reason to question the software.

This is the direct reason that led me to my quest for fairness. I am 57 years old with plenty of time and access to computers wherever I may be. I pursued alleged online regulators in Gibraltor, Alderney, Curaco, Antiqua, (and a few more I can’t think of now) with written requests about game regulations, by snail mail and e-mails. I left every possible way for them to contact me, home address, phone number, e-mail address, and didn’t receive one single response in any way, shape, or form or even an acknowledgement it was received. No casino rep has ever responded to my questions on the forum either when it came to game regulation.

The only alleged confirmation we ever got on some issues is by Bryan talking to inside connections that refuse to be identified. I trust Bryan for his word but he can’t be positive who he’s talking to is 100% being upfront since this is a billion dollar industry that I’m certain they wouldn’t want to be jeopardized.

In addition we have affiliates and advocates that no doubt exhibit prejudice opinions when issues involve casinos they promote. This behavior is not always obvious at first, but if you were to read many of the active gaming forums (which many people don’t) their motives do in fact become obvious.

I miss online gaming in a big way. It was a great way to pass time which I have plenty of with excitement. Gambling is in my DNA and I'm now being forced backed to B&M's like many other past online gamers. I stay current reading everything about it (including hopes of USA regulation) and find it repulsive to sit back and not express my opinions from personal experiences regardless if what I say offends anyone. I'm always ready to stand corrected, and have been several times in the past.

Unfortunately regardless of what some will try to convince otherwise, there is no regulation being implied and or intended. Everything needs to be exposed be it good or bad about online gaming in its present form.

So why does it seem there’s not many good things being said about online gaming especially lately? Maybe because if I wanted I could make a list that would consist of at least a thousand reasons why online casinos can’t be trusted and that list would be certain to grow in the future; and could only list maybe four reasons why you might trust a list of casinos you could count with only one hand and a good chance of that small count even reducing in the future.

All anyone wants is to know their losing their money fair and square. Online casinos had that chance to prove this and still do but endlessly refuse to be transparent. Refusing to be transparent is like a suspect pleading the 5th amendment in a murder trial and in my eyes with online gaming is all the evidence I need to convict.

[takethemoney]

If you're living in the USA, then like me, you probably feel something has smelled like a rat for the past couple of years. I was losing almost every deposit for about a year. 2009 was very good to me, as I won over $45k in 4 random jackpots. It has been what's happened this year that has truely opened my eyes for me. 102 deposits and normally I take a bonus because I can't deposit $100 anymore and have any play time, so a bonus makes it possible to have that several hours of play time. I have only twice made playthrough this year and when I did, it was not with enough money left to withdraw once the bonus was removed. That just isn't right. I have been told that RTG is independent of each other and there is no global RTP, but I suspect otherwise, as if once shut down, it is RTG wide. Can't prove it, but it effects me in a way where my skepticism won't allow me to play very often or deposit much when I do.
I'm not one to chase losses, so my gambling is very light lately.

[nisosbar]

No casino rep has ever responded to my questions on the forum either when it came to game regulation.

I recall your previous thread about this issue, and for me, the lack of response from any casino reps was confirmation that your argument was correct.

If an online casino did in fact have a video poker game that was not subject to external RTP controls, then we all know the casino rep would be - at a minimum - taking opportunities here on CM to state that fact here unequivocally, even if they were reluctant to state that 'that other platform is NOT entirely random' (out of professional courtesy).

Yes, this does not change the fact that some players DO get royal flushes from time to time, nor does it change the fact that the video poker games are fun, lol, but it DOES mean that referring to the card games online as "slotjack" or "slotpoker" is closer to the truth, in my opinion, than 'just like in a B&M casino at a table with a live dealer'. (Mileage may vary from my own, of course.)

[takethemoney]

Not to have my own pity party here, but today is my birthday and I got a total of two birthday greetings from casinos. One offering me a special 100% match bonus and a $20 free chip at another, with a 5 x max cashout and 60x playthough. What happened to getting at least 500 - 600 every year, all kinds of ecards and chocolate and goodies in the mail and no strings attached? Business has to be way down, or nobody cares about the customers anymore.
I have actually deposited more this year than last year, up until a couple months ago, when I decided it was not worth it.

[kauphy]

happy b-day not to derail just wanted to make you feel a little better

[Mavin1]

I'm starting this thread actually in response to another thread titled "Does anyone have any good news" since I thought this didn't fit there.

Online casinos have chosen to let the industry evolve into what it has become today. Maybe it was a direct result of the uncertainty for their future after the UIGEA was passed in the USA. But everyone would have to agree that over the past few years online gaming has hit new lows. They have done nothing to improve their image and on the contrary have done a great deal in redefining the term “ROGUE”, constantly exhibiting never ending contemporary tactics never seen before, while keeping the old ones in place.

Like I said many times before I have never been screwed by any online casino in the past or too this day, and didn’t even know what goes on till joining this forum in March of 09. Up until 2007 I was always satisfied with my online gaming results. I could not care less what software platform the games were being run from nor even cared to find out. But after 2007, 2008, 2009, and this present year I realized things have changed drastically.

This led to me joining several other gaming forums and my desire to find out what was really going on. To me it became obvious that video poker which is the predominate game I play had to be running off a RTP platform like slots. After millions of hands over the last four year period it was obvious the probabilities were way out of range. This could only be a result of lowered RTP’s. So it’s obvious in the past these games were always run off an RTP platform but they were set high enough to equal expected returns from Random Draw. Any professional player would have never noticed the difference or have any reason to question the software.

This is the direct reason that led me to my quest for fairness. I am 57 years old with plenty of time and access to computers wherever I may be. I pursued alleged online regulators in Gibraltor, Alderney, Curaco, Antiqua, (and a few more I can’t think of now) with written requests about game regulations, by snail mail and e-mails. I left every possible way for them to contact me, home address, phone number, e-mail address, and didn’t receive one single response in any way, shape, or form or even an acknowledgement it was received. No casino rep has ever responded to my questions on the forum either when it came to game regulation.

The only alleged confirmation we ever got on some issues is by Bryan talking to inside connections that refuse to be identified. I trust Bryan for his word but he can’t be positive who he’s talking to is 100% being upfront since this is a billion dollar industry that I’m certain they wouldn’t want to be jeopardized.

In addition we have affiliates and advocates that no doubt exhibit prejudice opinions when issues involve casinos they promote. This behavior is not always obvious at first, but if you were to read many of the active gaming forums (which many people don’t) their motives do in fact become obvious.

I miss online gaming in a big way. It was a great way to pass time which I have plenty of with excitement. Gambling is in my DNA and I'm now being forced backed to B&M's like many other past online gamers. I stay current reading everything about it (including hopes of USA regulation) and find it repulsive to sit back and not express my opinions from personal experiences regardless if what I say offends anyone. I'm always ready to stand corrected, and have been several times in the past.

Unfortunately regardless of what some will try to convince otherwise, there is no regulation being implied and or intended. Everything needs to be exposed be it good or bad about online gaming in its present form.

So why does it seem there’s not many good things being said about online gaming especially lately? Maybe because if I wanted I could make a list that would consist of at least a thousand reasons why online casinos can’t be trusted and that list would be certain to grow in the future; and could only list maybe four reasons why you might trust a list of casinos you could count with only one hand and a good chance of that small count even reducing in the future.

All anyone wants is to know their losing their money fair and square. Online casinos had that chance to prove this and still do but endlessly refuse to be transparent. Refusing to be transparent is like a suspect pleading the 5th amendment in a murder trial and in my eyes with online gaming is all the evidence I need to convict.

Absolutely agree!!!!!

[takethemoney]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that gambling should only be used for entertainment purposes......very expensive entertainment!

Years ago when they let more people win, they did so with the intention of getting a global market hooked on gambling online. Now that the mission has been accomplished, things are tighter because they know we fools have to have our fix and will continue to deposit, no matter what's happened to the odds.

[Pulver]

And IF you are lucky enough to win a substantial amount, you have absolutley no guarantee of getting paid, CM acredited casino or not. The whole industry has become so vile it's sickening. Hearing casino reps comming on here and promote that it is "within our TC" to use 5 business day to pay a customer BY EWALLETS! Then when 5 days have passed, they are going to ask you for a clearer scan of your ID, or some nonsense. Not to mention my ongoing case with Lock casino..

[4 of a kind]

you have absolutley no guarantee of getting paid, CM acredited casino or not.

That's why my list is only temporally 4 deep which would also include a T&C that states deposit and play at your own risk.

Now today two new complaints showed up I never saw before for me to add onto the ever growing negative list.

1) Casino support convinces customer to make a larger deposit for a better bonus. After customer makes deposit then CS reports he's been banned from bonuses.

2) Casino attempts to confiscate 1K in winnings cause customer got tired of the bullshit delays after a few days and mouthed off. Their grounds were quote: "Abusive language"

They can hide in cyberspace with these tactics, but I could assure you if this was live, someone would be leaving the scene on a stretcher and someone else would be going to jail with assault charges against him or her.

[Mavin1]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that gambling should only be used for entertainment purposes......very expensive entertainment!
Years ago when they let more people win, they did so with the intention of getting a global market hooked on gambling online. Now that the mission has been accomplished, things are tighter because they know we fools have to have our fix and will continue to deposit, no matter what's happened to the odds.

What I dissagree about with the above statment, is that gambling is only entertainment, albeit an expensive form. Gambling is set apart from other forms of entertainment in the fact that it has promise of monetary reward in return for your continued support.

Going to a ball game, movie or other forms of entertainment, the only thing you walk away with is the play in your head.

People, as it has been said before, do not gamble strictly for entertainment, they play because of the monetary promises. Hooking players in with a true balance of give and take and then evolving into mearly take, is a sick and sadistic joke on the players. Much like dangling a fat juicy hamburger in front of a hungry person and then giving them a dry cracker.

There is no logical reason why gambling should be a con mans shell game, it wasn't before. Casinos and their groups that have shifted to this type of strategy will only be hurting themselves in the long run. Players will slowly but inevitably move away from casino groups that do not value their player base.

But that's okay, if we cannot weed out the shell game casinos by ranting, then maybe the loss of our revenue will force them out of business and only the true casinos that value their support base will remain standing.

To be rid of all the entertainment only casinos, a true casino would have a much larger player base, better RTP and would never have to worry about their gain because they would have more business than they knew what to do with.

Why else are the games so tight, payout times so long and so on, because there are to many in competition now that they over diluted and exceeded the player base and gotten a bit to greedy by increasing the houses favor. Everywhere you look you see way to many of RTG and Rivals. The CEO's don't care how much they glut the industry, they are of the thinking more is better, but when it gets down the bottom, the players, we would say less is better.

It would make an interesting study to see if things starting dropping off in online gamings popularity when casino clones started increasing.


JMO