Land Based Microgaming

[KasinoKing]

People here always speak of RTP's not being less then 92% online. I think your lucky if your getting 80% today.

I don't play online casinos at all anymore, just some poker.

Oh, so you're well qualified to make your first statement then!

I play online slots every day, and IMHO the RTPs are at the correct level on the softwares I use - even when I lose!
I'm currently wading through a $15K WR at an MG casino;
So far I've wagered $11,562 and made +$585 = RTP 105%. *
Perhaps I should complain to the casino that it's 10% out from the expected level..!
(* Includes PaiGow; Wagered $3,525, lost $153. All the rest on slots).

KK

[4 of a kind]

Oh, so you're well qualified to make your first statement then!

So far I've wagered $11,562 and made +$585 = RTP 105%. *
Perhaps I should complain to the casino that it's 10% out from the expected level..!

I would only be qualified to express my personal experiences.

Based on your 10 year winning record, I think I would complain. Your normal RTP average has to be around 120%

[jetset]

In an industry as fiercely competitive as online gambling I doubt it would be smart for an operator to go significantly below industry norms even assuming he/she was able to fiddle at will with the RTP (which I find hard to believe possible anyway, but that's just my opinion.)

Regarding the wording from the Betstone site, I think there may be some misinterpretation in the server based gaming context, but it is nevertheless worth checking out....I'm presently doing just that.

Edited to add that having looked again at the statement posted by RobWin, I personally do not interpret it as changing RTP 'on the fly' or without complying with normal land casino RTP-changing procedures. I therefore don't really see the correlation between that and the somewhat different online gambling operator environment, I'm afraid.

Nevertheless I've asked for comment in order to clarify the issue.

[KasinoKing]

Based on your 10 year winning record, I think I would complain. Your normal RTP average has to be around 120%

Not at all - I only win because I always use bonuses.
Never worked it out, but I suspect my overall RTP is around 95%.

KK
PS: It's only 9 years... so far!

[vinylweatherman]

It may well be the same game, but a completely different software "engine" specific to land based kiosks that includes the ability to change RTP.

They would also have to comply with rules about max stake and max jackpot payout, so the paytables would have to be tweaked.

These kinds of slots are already available on land, and the limits are a fixed £1 stake, and max £500 payout per bet. The RTP must be displayed, and is between 92% and 88%, with the vast majority set at 90%.

For clubs and casinos, the max payout limits are higher, and quite possibly the max stake, so the club/casino versions will have different paytables.

The question would be HOW the RTP is altered, and for the games to be random, this would have to be either paytable changes or alterations to reel strips.

The lack of information probably indicates this is a relatively new venture for MGS, but a pretty shrewd one given that many players have seen these games online, and would probably be drawn to land based kiosk versions, even if just to try them out.

Playing online does not stop me from trying land based video slots set on 90% and £500 jackpot, although it has meant I play LESS at land based sites, and MORE online.

[Simmo!]

The lack of information probably indicates this is a relatively new venture for MGS, but a pretty shrewd one

Not that new. I first played their multi-game Thunderstruck kiosk at ICE back in 2007 or 2006 (cant remember which).

[vinylweatherman]

Not that new. I first played their multi-game Thunderstruck kiosk at ICE back in 2007 or 2006 (cant remember which).

All very good, but I have not seen it "out in the field" yet. It's no good having a kiosk offering unless land operators want it.