Cherry Red random jackpot results - For real?

[Louise]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

Hi everyone,

Concerning these questions, I could get all of this information and would love to answer your questions, however, I can't. The player has terms and conditions that s/he has to adhere to, and we do also. On our side, one of these conditions is that we will not report to any third parties about the player's wagering or personal information, of which most of these questions would be a problem in answering.

This is not an excuse for trying to avoid answering and giving more information - I simply don't want us to break these conditions and possibly get us in trouble for it.

I am posting some basic information on the Rushmore thread concerning the 4 players in question from the Rushmore Winners' page of which 2 won RJs on one slot machine in the same month, and the other 2 also winning an RJ on another machine in the same month also.

Regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

[Nifty29]

Lets not gloss over the fact that some people in this thread are implying that an accredited casino is cheating or somehow fudging the Random Jackpot winners.

The people concerned can dress it up as "Oh I was only asking" or "It just looks a bit suss" etc etc, but it amounts to exactly what I just stated.

IMO Its time for those concerned to produce hard evidence that the Rushmore Group is somehow behaving in a dishonest manner - or admit they are wrong and drop it.

Forget the spreadsheets of winners and the amounts - they mean zip.

Nobody here knows how many players play at each casino on each slot each day, how much each player wagers on each slot at each casino on each day, what the % contribution is to the RJ pool or what the seed amount was at each casino on each slot .......and without that information nobody can draw any conclusions in regard to whether the results posted are possible or not, and, as a result, whether the Rushmore Group is doing anything underhanded.

Some of you really need to take a long hard look at yourselves and stop making wild accusations about accredited casinos at the first sniff of something unusual. I mean, has anyone ever heard of being discreet?? How about a PM to Bryan or Max to check it out?? Hell no! Lets just make a whole thread about it and let that witch burn!!!!

[darkpixie]

I've said it before, but let me repeat myself. Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. I know that many on here are watching this thread but not jumping in to state their opinions for fear of the backlash myself and a few others are receiving from just one or two members on here.

Back on topic.

I continue to fail to see how a single player can hit RJ after RJ at substantial amounts only days, and in some cases hours apart. maphesto makes a very good point on the Rushmore thread.

it seems impossible to have those amounts in a few days. At none of the machines the RJ amount has increased even nearly that much after we started to follow them.

Furthermore, of the thousands of players across the Rushmore network, in the last couple of months just over 100 of those have hit these elusive RJ's many of them repeatedly for substantial amounts.

I've played fun play off and on for 5 years at max bet and have hit a random jackpot 2 times. Never have I hit one in real money. I can't bet that high...lol But that is just my personal experience.

Perhaps when CM returns a closer look into this will be had. I don't think its a bad thing that this thread has been out for everyone to see as there can only be one of two outcomes:

#1 CM finds all the wins to be legit and above board and it is announced on here and Rushmore Group gets some GREAT FREE PR

#2 Rushmore loses accreditation or works with CM to bring the games back to fair play for the players.


I think Louise is doing a great job also, she is responsive and not tip toeing around the issues like you would normally expect so that is definitely a positive in their favor.

[lots0]

I vote to close this thread and the other "lets trash" the RUSHMORE Group thread.

The question has been asked and answered.

You either except the answer or you don't.

If you don't except the answer, don't play there.

But if you do believe that Rushmore has these jackpots and pays them out... like they have done for YEARS... Then please disregard these unjustified attacks and Happy Jackpot hunting.

The idea of continuing these backhanded attacks on this reputable casino group's credibility is unacceptable.

[vinylweatherman]

This kind of issue has come up before, and the answer is linked to the fact that bigger bets give a proportionately bigger chance of triggering the RJ.

For example, a $1 bet might give a 0.001% chance, a $10 bet a 0.01% chance, and a $100 bet a 0.1% chance.

IF a player has ONE big win from an RJ, he is more likely to up their bet (I play like this when I win big, so why should it be a surprise that others do). This then means that it becomes "easier" for players "on a roll" to net a series of RJs before they either calm down from their big betting high, or lose it all back.

The "whales" are ALWAYS making big bets, and such players are more likely to hit the RJ over a given number of spins because each spin buys them a greater chance.

$7Mill may seem like a great deal of wagering, but this is NOT just one player, and if the game is especially popular, it will generate more wagering overall.

This could also relate to the "feature guarantee" feature on one version of this slot (Aztec's Treasure). This is unique to this game (at present), and could itself lead to this slot being far more popular than the others.

[lots0]

I know that many on here are watching this thread but not jumping in to state their opinions for fear of the backlash myself and a few others are receiving from just one or two members on here.

Oh thats total Bull...

I been around here a long time... Been on both sides, many times.
People know they can talk to me and get HONEST answers and HONEST feedback... without getting personally attacked. Same thing goes for Nifty.

There are even some folks here that don't like me much and love to argue with me when they think I'm wrong... but they are not showing up here.

You don't want to discuss facts... You seem hell bent on trashing this casino for no good reason... in the face of every reasonable argument.

Every single one of your two 'talking points' has been repeatedly discredited.. yet you persist in these backhanded innuendo attacks.

enough already...

[all4greed]

Louise - thanks for the info.

Regarding this person, were these bolded items RJ wins as well? Or bonus/normal spin wins?

Wayne A., Azteks Treasure (Cherry Red):

Wednesday, May 12, 2010 $110,888
Friday, May 7, 2010 $28,950
Saturday, April 24, 2010 $45,530
Friday, April 23, 2010 $19,341
Thursday, April 22, 2010 $8,885

[all4greed]

I vote to close this thread and the other "lets trash" the RUSHMORE Group thread.

I don't think so. I've already asked another legitimate question. I have the right to question that a customer won over $213,000 and at least 2 out of those 5 wins were RJs. I want to know if ALL of that money was from RJs.

Remember, they posted the winning amounts on their website and another website confirms that PLUS alot more wins.

If you don't except the answer, don't play there.

It's not a matter of accepting the question and not playing there. The issue is believability and credibility.

The idea of continuing these backhanded attacks on this reputable casino group's credibility is unacceptable.

If by attacks you mean asking legitimate questions, it should be completely acceptable. If DP has said anything slanderous, please point it out.

You have a direct interest in this group for obvious reasons...

[all4greed]

And finally one other thing...

Do any of these players, especially the one that hit at least 2 RJ's totalling over $155,000, post about their amazing wins? I searched for some of those winners and sure couldn't find any.

It would be fascinating to read their stories. INetBet has little winners blogs on their newsletters. I've even done a couple for wins I've had there.

[lots0]

You have a direct interest in this group for obvious reasons...

Of course I do. Never made any seceret about it. All the more reason for me to be involved.

I'm sure that any legit questions you have will be answered.

If you don't see the innunendo attacks that are going on here... it is only because you don't want to see them, for whatever reason.