question about RTG random jackpots

[DogBoy001]

Thank you DogBoy001, you have repeated what I thought..that these randoms are not truly random at all but jackpots based on the coin size bet..

A tru Random is one that does not recognize anything but a spin as in the Rapid Fire ones at Intercasino.

Heya,

That's not actually correct, Intercasino (and indeed any casino random jackpot) functions in exactly the same manner as I outlined above.

There is a very good reason why random must function as indicated, rather than just registering that a spin has occurred, and irrespective of bet size a random jackpot could be won: RTP

If a jackpot is not referenced to the bet size RTP is variable.
If a jackpot had equal probability of being won on 1c as compared to $1, the relative RTP for the 1c bet would be 100 times higher.

Intercasino are not operating their slots at 190% RTP.

Think of it as a prize, the same as any other, but instead of winning an amount from a symbol combination, it is won randomly (i.e.: The RNG produces a result at the end of a paid spin to determine win).
If the prize is, say, $4000, this represents the same as a 4000 scatter pay for a bet of $1.
If that same prize, with same probability, could be won on a bet of 1c, the prize would be the scatter equivalent of 400,000.
This would not be viable mathematically.

Woooof

[skiny]

Total jackpot contribution is, as identified on the rules pages, no more than 1.5% of RTP (this includes both seed value and increment)

Where did you find this number? I've looked for it and asked several casinos about it and can't find it.

[KasinoKing]

Where did you find this number? I've looked for it and asked several casinos about it and can't find it.

And I don't think you will find it either. DogBoy works in the company which produce RTG slots, so he has all the inside information!
This is not unique to RTG though - how many softwares do you know who give the progressive contribution figures? Not many even give the slots' basic RTP!

KK

[PenDragyn21]

And I don't think you will find it either. DogBoy works in the company which produce RTG slots, so he has all the inside information!
This is not unique to RTG though - how many softwares do you know who give the progressive contribution figures? Not many even give the slots' basic RTP!

KK

Actually, like DogBoy said it's available on the rules explanation of the Real Series video slots. It's available to anyone who plays the slot. More specifically the second page of the rules explanation for a given slot. You can find that going to the going to any of the Real Series 25-line slots, clicking the "Help" button then click on "Forward" and read the last sentence on the underneath the heading "Progressive Jackpot".

[Jasminebed]

Under Help, check the paytable and go forward:

[gloria460]

Thanks Dogboy

That explanation makes sense. If I'm betting a buck and someone else is betting a quarter I have a 4 to 1 ratio against them in hitting that random. The higher you bet the better your odds but also at the same time it doesn't guarantee a random will only be paid to the highest better as we have seen screenies with randoms won on .25 and .50.

The randoms that are 80,000 and above I haven't seen yet and should not be allowed to get that high.

[KasinoKing]

Actually, like DogBoy said it's available on the rules explanation of the Real Series video slots. It's available to anyone who plays the slot. More specifically the second page of the rules explanation for a given slot. You can find that going to the going to any of the Real Series 25-line slots, clicking the "Help" button then click on "Forward" and read the last sentence on the underneath the heading "Progressive Jackpot".

Under Help, check the paytable and go forward:

Thanks - I didn't know that!
(I don't play progressives).

KK

[Jasminebed]

Thanks - I didn't know that!
(I don't play progressives).

KK

Not much else for slots at RTG. These are the random jackpots.

[takethemoney]

I hate to admit this but I once spent 1 1/2 times the random jackpot amount chasing the jackpot and looking at least for some good hits. It seems like the longer you chase these things the tighter they get. How can that be explained? Oh, and good sized bets too, like $2 to $5 per spin. At the end of spending almost $8000, I deposited another $4000 and that is where it seemed like someone flipped the switch. I've never lost that fast anywhere ever up to then or after.

[skiny]

I hate to admit this but I once spent 1 1/2 times the random jackpot amount chasing the jackpot and looking at least for some good hits. It seems like the longer you chase these things the tighter they get. How can that be explained? Oh, and good sized bets too, like $2 to $5 per spin. At the end of spending almost $8000, I deposited another $4000 and that is where it seemed like someone flipped the switch. I've never lost that fast anywhere ever up to then or after.

If you're losing that fast, quit. I find it's pretty rare that an unfriendly game changes its tune. There's a point with every slot game I play that I decide this is going nowhere. If they're literally hitting zero every spin I don't stay long. If they're paying back over half my wager on average after a few dozen spins I might hang around. No rules are set in stone but you can always tell when a game is hungry and if you're just feeding it to hit a RJ, you're almost guaranteed to be disappointed.

When you do hit a RJ it will be when you least expect it. The last time I hit a RJ was on Hidden Riches on a 25 cent bet. I didn't know I hit it. I just heard the same sound I always hear when it hits something. Except I hit nothing. The win was counting up and was already up to about 5 bucks when I looked at my balance. I looked back down at the lines. My brain is saying "I see nothing. What did I hit?" The second time I looked up at my balance it was over 1000 and still counting. That's when I knew it wasn't a line win.

People might disagree but I don't think your chance is that much better betting huge amounts in the long run. If the chances of hitting a RJ are proportionate to bet size doesn't the basic math say that you'll have a 4 times better chance betting a dollar than betting a quarter but betting quarters you'll get 4 times as many chances?

Maybe I'm thinking wrong here but if you dumb the odds down to 1 in 100 odds to make it simple and you play 10 one dollar spins you had 10 tries with 1 in 100 odds. And I play quarters with a proportionate chance I'm getting 1 in 400 odds but I get 40 tries. Aren’t 10 in 100 and 40 in 400 the same odds in the long run?

You'd be getting better odds on each of your 10 spins but after I'm done my 40 spins haven't the odds evened out?