KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

[bryand]

Damn. Where's the money shot? I just read through this entire thread and was ready to see the climax of this pissing contest since it appeared both contestants were finally online at the same time, but noooooooo - you had to disqualify one of the pissers

I have no opinion either way as to anyone's "winning strategy". I wanted to see a dialogue between them directly to (a) expose OP's obvious agenda beyond being a humble "whistleblower" and (b) better understand the math behind the squabble. How can OP's genius comprehend differential calculus but can't understand (or appreciate) rules of order? Or maybe.......

As for every one else - feel free to debate whatever issues you feel are warranted discussion in this thread. The thread is not closed, only the Spielplatz is.

[Nifty29]

Well JHV always had a way of personally insulting people in such a way that he could make it look like it was your fault - he gilded the lily better than Ive seen for a long time.

In one way, its kinda sad as he is obviously intelligent and most likely has a lot of valuable insight and experience when it comes to gambling of all kinds.

Trouble is, he made everyone feel like they should be on their knees with heads bowed whilst typing their replies to the grammatical embodiment of his superior intellect.

Personally, I was sick of hearing how much of a high roller he is and how much money he has made and how amazingly successful he is at everything he has done. I can do without people blowing their own trumpet all the time...I see enough of that at work.

I've done it.

I've succeeded.

I really screwed up that decision and lost my youth chasing a fallacy.

The above is probably a good insight into why he behaves like he does. What better target for taking out your own frustrations than other people??

Take that self-inflicted sadness and dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[Casinomeister]

Hi all,

Glad to see we're back to being being level-headed - and able to debate this without condescension and belittlement.

Moved to Online Casino discussion forum since this is back on track.

[zebedy]

The way he came across he seems like a very intelligent person,I think he knew exactly what he was doing by this quote in his first post,

(Don't get up Max, I'll show myself to the door.)

Seems like he just went on one of his self confessed, self destructive fades
by attacking a member of good standing,

Back on topic

Myself i dont use never have used systems as everyhing ive read/heard tell me that they are a waste of time,but thats just me, each to his own
when i deposit i want to play as i want to play, its my money afterall,

If you look at vegasbums screenshots, his system seems to be to only to play a few paylines, and he says that works for him, i dont doubt it some nice SS, the same as KKs system works for him, i dont doubt that either,when we win we could all think that we have a system but at the end of the day its just gambling IMO your either lucky on that day or not,

If KK advertised something on his site like WIN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF $$ FROM MY SYSTEM then i probably would have a problem with that, but if im correct he has never said that so i dont see a problem,

[KasinoKing]

This is on the basis that the longer we go without the feature hitting, the more probable it is.

Which, for random slots, just isn't true (and is the thinking behind progressive strategies in roulette etc.)

Can you please explain why it isn't true?

I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.

Let's take the simplest example - the coin toss.
If you tossed a coin 10 times, the chances of getting 10 heads is 1 in 1024 right?
Therefore if you tossed that coin 1024 times the chances are you will see 10 heads in a row just once.
In any other sequence of 10 tosses from the remaining 1014 goes the probability is very high that a tail will interrupt any run of heads before you get to 10 in a row.

So the odds of getting 10 heads in a row is exactly the same in any 10 spins, but the probability of it happening is very, very low.

Also KasinoKing, if I requested to see your records showing eight years of profit, would I be viewing a personal database record, or actual play sessions from the different casinos?

I have Excel spreadsheets detailing all my slots sessions at most casinos (Except Cryptos and WagerWorks - no need as their logs are comprehensive).
Even though I am the first to admit I have not exactly strictly stuck to my strategy all the time, I am happy to publish any of these logs here on CM.
In fact, you can see a few of these by looking at my blogs here (link in header of post).

The thing to remember is I don't play just to try to extract the maximum value out of a bonus (I don't have the balls for that strategy!) - I play for the fun of gambling and the challenge of trying to meet the WR with a profit.
Bonuses give structure and targets to my gambling - as fully explained on the page in question.

I would suggest that if you want to advertise this system to potential customers, you should have them request it, and send them a personal e-mail with it, of course with your disclaimer.

Excuse me, I am not advertising to any customers.
In my signature is says "my strategy for beating them".
On the website it says "This page will introduce you to the methods that we have been using to make regular profit from playing online slot machines since 2004."
No-where do I say do X,Y,Z, and you will win N.

And I'm not selling anything either - all my information is free (as it always has been) and there aren't even any advertising banners for casinos anywhere on that strategy page.

Look everyone, I'm just sharing with anyone who is interested the methods which have worked consistently for me personally. Read it, laugh, take the piss, enjoy, try it or not - it's up to you. Makes no odds to me. But it is all my personal true experiences, so I'm not changing it for anyone.

KK

[Slotster!]

But it is all my personal true experiences, so I'm not changing it for anyone.

Amen to that.

The only thing that worries me about you KK - is the bet sizes on your 'Winner Screenshots' snaps seem to be creeping up

I remember the days when if you posted a screenshot with a bet size above 90p there was outcry; get you with your £2 plus.

Now stop making money with your 'self control' and so called 'money management' - it makes me SICK... YOU HEAR ME?.. SICK!

Why can't you just lose it all on a regular basis like the rest of us?

[big_mac]

I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, the terms Probability and Odds mean exactly the same thing, in that they both express the likelihood of some random event occurring, but the answers are expressed in different ways.
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56495.html


and I don't understand what you mean with your example, are you saying that if you head 10 heads in a row during the first 1024 goes that you are less likely to get another 10 heads in a row?

It reminds me of an old joke
'the odds of there being a bomb on a plane is a million to one.
the odds of there being two bombs on a plane is a trillion to one (a million times a million, for americans anyway).
So, just to be safe, I always take a bomb on with me!'

BTW, I am not disputing at all that it works, just trying to clarify things. If you're not interested in discussing it then I won't persue it.

[Nifty29]

Why can't you just lose it all on a regular basis like the rest of us?

I agree.

Could all casinos please turn the 'off' switch 'on' for KK's accounts immediately?

When we all think that he has lost enough to make us feel better, we will post back here and you can turn the 'off' switch 'off', or the 'on' switch 'on' , or the 'jammy git' switch 'on'



You're right though KK.....if were selling the strategy .i.e making it only available to those who pay and gaurantee the results then JHV might (and I stress might) have had a reason to have a bee in his bonnet. However, it was publicly available and NOT gauranteed so he really needs to get a life.

[Pulver]

Can you please explain why it isn't true?

I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.

KK

Sorry to say this, but that is just plain stupid and I suggest you take a course in basic mathematics if you don't understand this.

I very well beleive that you have been profiting from slot bonuses, even while betting low. This is because of the high bust-rate of slots. The irony of it all is that you would have made much more money if you had used big bet's. But I respect that you like low varriance gambling and that you do it for fun.

So, the only thing I hold against your "strategy" is your flawed mathematics about increasing your bet size after x amounts of spins. That is just plain wrong and missinformation, and I suggest you remove it from your "strategy".

[3Dice]

Hi KK,

I swore I wasn't getting involved in this one lol

Ok KK, the mistake you are making is the most basic one in the book. It's completely natural so don't feel to bad about it. The big major pitfall is that we as humans fail to appreciate our presence in time as an important factor here.

The odds that we will be seeing 10 heads in a row in our next 10 tosses is 1 in 1024.

The odds that we saw 10 heads in a row in our last 10 tosses is not 1 in 1024 . It's either 1 if we did, or 0 if we didn't.

If we use this in calculations the difference becomes apparent.

we will throw a coin 2 times. before we throw the odds of hitting two heads are 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4.

after the first throw, the odds of hitting two heads have changed. If we hit a head the first coin it is

1 * 1/2 = 1/2

if we hit tail the first time it is

0 * 1/2 = 0.

Everything you see in the past happened, so it has a probability of 1. After you just hit the jackpot that only happens one in a million, its still probability 1 that it just happened .. cause it just did.

After you see 4 heads the probability for 5 heads is not 1 in 32 (1/(2*2*2*2*2)) but one in 2 (1/(2*1*1*1*1)).

In your reasoning, you take say 50 samples in the past that are unlucky, and 50 samples in the future that are undetermined. Then you say since I didn't hit in the first 50, and it hits on average every 100, I'm now more likely to hit in the next 50. Which is the equivalent of saying since the roulette just landed on red, and on average it has to land the same amount of times on red and black, it is now more likely to land on black. The slot is not more likely to hit in the next 50 and the roulette is not more likely to hit black since the odds of the past events are always simply 1 no mater how exceptionally rare they were.

In short, the OP and some of the other posters here are correct in saying that the strategy you outline on your website is (sensitively formulated) flawed. There's one good piece of advice there and that is always deposit with bonuses.

Apart from that it is by no means the most profitable strategy (play absolute maxbet on the highest variance game you find) - nor the least profitable one (play absolute min bet on the lowest variance game you find). It's just one of the many things 'inbetween' that one could do.

The reason you have consistently made a profit has nothing to do with your strategy. It has to do with the simple fact that if you calculate the following numbers :

X = total of KK own deposit.
Y = total of casino bonuses
Z = total stake on the slots

you made a profit because Z*0.05 < (X+Y) ..

And so the strategy that would be valid on the slotbeaters site is to keep Z as low as you can by maximizing bets and risk.

As a final note, I would like to add a little self-test here .. if you can answer the following question correctly, we both know that the explenation got through

Say I have a closed bag with in it two colored chips. One is red on two sides, and the other is green on one side and red on the other. I take one chip out of the bag and show you one side. You see red. What are the odds that I picked the chip with the green ?

Cheers,

Enzo