KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

[jetset]

He isnt attacking KKs system, he just tells how horribly bad it is. Actually it is the worst I have ever seen. But the best way would have been to take it up with the man himself.

And he usually tries to "promote" it or telling that you can succeed playing slots (leading to his site) when there is an opportunity, at least thats the impression I get. Having a disclaimer at the end doesnt change it. The best would be that he tossed the strategy where it belongs..

Personally I dont have a beef with KK. I think some of the info on his sites are good (and especially entertaining) and I have downloaded one casino from his link (the Kasinoking site). And getting rid of the strategy wouldnt probably affect the success or popularity of Slotbeaters.

Of course he is publicly attacking KK and his system/strategy.

And I believe that he's doing it primarily to again attract attention (very successfully this time around) and paint himself as some sort of purer-than-white industry guardian angel at the same time.

What I particularly don't like about this thread is the very calculated public nature of this attack without prior warning on a member of this forum, and the manner in which it has been carried out, nothwithstanding whether JHV's views on KK's personal strategy are valid or not.

That is, imo, cynical and disruptive. It is further compounded by a sly and not so subtle dig at the Casinomeister site which hosts us here, and a rather condescending attitude towards his fellow members.

I am actually in agreement with you regarding members who go too far in promoting themselves or their businesses in posting here, but I suspect that is exactly what JHV is himself trying to do despite his criticism of KK for the same thing.

[JHV]

Maybe you can post the proof on how KKs system fails so people can make up are own minds as to whether his system is flawed or not, at the moment we only have your word on it,
we are not all mathmatical geniuses but there are alot of intelegent people on this site that will know if what you say is true,

KK has always show that he has great ethics and morals when it comes down to promoting what he does and the way he does it, im sure if you can actually l prove his system is flawed then he would be the first to admit whether its wrong or not,

That's not actually true, zebedy. Whilst your loyalty / faith in KK is admirable, the simple fact is that people have explained the incredibly simple fact that his "strategy" is flawed to him in the past and he plays dumb and refuses to change it. Now, either he's really dumb - like really dumb - because the people who explained it to him used brilliant junior high school methodology and he still couldn't supposedly understand it.....or (and this is what I believe) he's just playing dumb and knows full well it's flawed and wants to keep it that way.

Either way, you're taking advice off someone who is:

a) unethical enough to intentionally trick you with sub-optimal / flawed strategy

b) not intelligent enough to understand junior high mathematics

So good luck with that if you wish to keep going with the system.

But he shouldn't be allowed to pimp it out to unsuspecting newcomers under the guise of "wanting to assist them". He's not helping them, he's hurting them with that strategy.

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I'll break it down for you - it's very simple:

Given that what we want is the bonus rounds and that on average they occur once every 130 – 150 spins, what we do is start with small bets & then gradually increase them the longer we go on. This is on the basis that the longer we go without the feature hitting, the more probable it is.

So we play say 100 spins at our minimum (depending on the slot, the minimum is usually either 2c or 5c per line). Then we increase the bets in small increments every 25 or 50 spins e.g. 2c, 4c, 6c, 8c. If we get past say 250 – 300 spins with no feature, or the bank has dropped by more than our pre-set limit, we stop & try a different slot. Sometimes we alter the total bet by changing the number of win-lines as well as, or instead of just changing the stake/line. And that’s pretty much all there is to it!

Not only is this one of the most stupid pieces of gambling-related writing actually available on the internet - it's so cutely and ironically *worse* for any player who follows it.

Of course, KK's strategy involves using bonuses. Ground-breaking stuff obv! But here's the cute thing - and this is *very* simple logic that clearly so many people (even guys that call themselves "TheGamblingGuru" aren't able to understand that the betting systems that children know are a fallacy such as the Martingale...are a fallacy - what kind of Guru are you RobWin? You're not a GamblingGuru - unless that nickname is tongue-in-cheek, like calling a giant "shorty" or w/e). The earth-shattering secret that junior high students understand yet like 3 people on this entire forum seem to be able to work out:

You only pay the House Advantage 'fine' on actual turnover wagered.

whoa whoa whoa! That's some cool conceptual stuff, isn't it. Really complex!

So when you're clearing a wagering requirement, would it be better to wager the absolute max....or better to wager the tiny minbets with tiny rises after 100 minbets, then starting at minbets again if the machine doesn't hit after 250-300 tiny bets (as KK advises)?

A GOLD STAR to the man (or lady) who was able to circumnavigate this complex dilemma. You Sir (or Ma'am) are correct! It would be the optimal line to wager the absolute max bet every single spin until you clear the WR or Bust.

Bonus Silver Star for anyone who can tell me what the WORST strategy would be? You Sir, in the leather jacket....very good! You are correct. The WORST strategy, which will lose you the most, is very close to what KK is advising - tiny bets, which expose you to greater Wagering Requirement, and greater House Advantage.

Sorry KasinoKing, you failed Grade 9 Maths. You'll have to repeat the Grade next year - yes, Summer School is compulsory. Sorry!

Is there anyone who doesn't understand what I've just explained - or who wants clarification? Feel free to ask - I'm not the greatest teacher in that concepts that are very clear in my head, I sometimes struggle to explain them simply and concisely.

No no no KasinoKing, don't try to slink out now. You don't get off *that* easy. This is not a simple maths mistake, my friend. You fail at logic in ways I have not seen Fail yet in a decade of this industry.

KasinoKing: "This is on the basis that the longer we go without the feature hitting, the more probable it is."



Wow. Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. And may God have mercy on your soul.

I could literally rip that entire trainwreck of a strategy guide apart - it's falsehoods, lies, deceit and pure madness almost from start to finish.

And if you think it's all an innocent mistake from a very uneducated man, I think you are being very insulting to KasinoKing. It's just that the alternative is not great either - that he's intentionally attempting to deceive vulnerable people. Bit like stealing from a blind man's coin tin, if you ask me.

You keep stating this as fact but yet you have miserably FAILED to prove a damn thing, why don't you actually try to prove your theory here if you are capable of actually doing that!

So prove to us all then that you do in fact have an IQ over 110, the last time I had mine tested it was 134 so I think I can hang with you here on this!

Of course you don't, why would you want to converse with someone that can match you wit for wit and at the same or greater intelligence level.

Log out buddy. Take a nap. You're really embarrassing yourself.

I don't get into fights with trolls, especially really uneducated trolls, because you can't win a fight with someone who's incapable of intelligent discourse. This isn't 1999 dude. People don't fall for obsessive trolling like you're attempting anymore - nap it out, big fella. You'll be glad you did when you return, trust me.

To me I think it's all pure luck.
If I had some type of strategy/system and I win win what am I doing here.
It's time to close this thread or prove the proof and move on.

Sorry BingoT - the world of professional gambling is far more complicated than the simple concepts I just explained above. The industry likes to sell the dream of easy money fast - but it's not a game for the faint-hearted. You need to be a world-class geek, then work like an insane obsessed workaholic to compete with those who want it just as bad, then you're in a mix.

I've done it.

I've succeeded.

I really screwed up that decision and lost my youth chasing a fallacy.

Enjoy life instead - money is only valuable to the point where you have enough so that you're not stressed and you can take care of yourself and your family and have a little fun. Everything after that....usually not worth the effort and sacrifices chasing.

Why settle for a surrogate and hypothetical conversation when you could - and still can - communicate directly with the person who's reputation and strategy you are so seriously attacking - thus far without producing concrete evidence - something that you seem to feel is beneath you?

Is there something that's stopping from KasinoKing defending himself? Is he in hospital or otherwise indisposed. Stop being ridiculous please. A number of people have told me they've broached the subject with him and he acts dumb and refuses to change the horribly bad and deceitful SlotBuster strategy article.

What possible good could come from my approaching him privately? Answer my question - I've already asked it of you and others before. You all repeat the same tripe over and over like well-trained little shills whilst the mods ignore my polite questions about why this has been moved to "Off-Topic".

Why am I now not thrilled about having you guys around my places? Frankly, because you appear malicious. You provide no logical arguments that make sense, you don't address the issues at hand, you attack me when I've done nothing to provoke you, you are all attempting the oldest (most pathetic) strategy in the book - it's called 'deflection'. It won't work. Stop trying to tilt me until I'm 50% as rude to you as you've all been to me - at which point, no doubt I'll get banned and the Circus of Scam rolls on.

Obviously, I'm copying all of this by the way. You're all assisting me in creating the greatest indictment one could possibly hope for when setting out to prove a valid point. It's just that getting that proof makes me sad. No there is certainly no celebrating on my part.

I'm going leave it here for awhile pending reply from KasinoKing.

If he's too ashamed to show his face and defend himself, well....sweet sassy molassey...that will (*should*) be pretty embarrassing for him.

[Webzcas]

As far as I am aware I have not seen KK online at all today and I have been pretty much online for near 10 hours or so.

I personally find this attack on KK's site and him as a member of this community whilst he is not here to defend himself distateful.

I suggest before posting again JHV, you at least give KK a chance to address your numerous posts which not only attack his site but also KK the person behind the site. Unless of course you want to post the url to your own site. You know the saying: 'People who live in glass houses.....'

[JHV]

What I particularly don't like about this thread is the very calculated public nature of this attack without prior warning on a member of this forum, and the manner in which it has been carried out, nothwithstanding whether JHV's views on KK's personal strategy are valid or not.

I am actually in agreement with you regarding members who go too far in promoting themselves or their businesses in posting here, but I suspect that is exactly what JHV is himself trying to do despite his criticism of KK for the same thing.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I broached the subject with Bryan a month ago and Bryan said he would not dictate what I could or could not bring to discussion; he just requested that I do it cordially.

Now what's frustrating here, is that as I clearly pointed out to Bryan, I was very close to the only cordial and calm person in the entire thread (with a couple other posters). Yet posters on every page were launching unprovoked attacks. When I pointed this out to Bryan, everyone went silent and my thread got moved to Off-Topic. Feel free to go back and have a read....

I also clearly stated multiple times that I PM'ed Bryan and that Bryan said he'd deal with it and that he'd deleted the link. Believing the link was gone, I saw no reason to pursue KK for past crimes. If I wanted attention, why would I have done all this private stuff with Bryan PM's back and forth? And what possible reason could I desire attention for - to what end?

I'm not a shill. I don't even want to give my URLs as you don't appear to be customers, in any way at all. I'm advertising nothing - simply pointing out a gross lie being allowed to be shilled all over the forum by a "well-respected industry member".

I have an anonymous alias. Where is my motivation for seeking attention, friend? Nothing to sell, nothing to shill, nothing to pimp out, no chance of financial gain, not even trying to build a brand of any kind - answer my questions please?

Don't think your old strategy of harassing the whistle-blower will work here either. If Bryan wants to ban me, he will. But I'm not going to give him reason to, by biting back at these dozens of baiting attempts from this group who really really care about making money - and don't like to see anyone speak truth, do you?

[yoshirules]

I'm going leave it here for awhile pending reply from KasinoKing.

If he's too ashamed to show his face and defend himself, well....sweet sassy molassey...that will (*should*) be pretty embarrassing for him. [/B]

The last sentence proofs that you dont understand why people are flaming you.
Its not about the strategy of KK, its about how you are dissing a fellow member.
And I dont like it..............

[JHV]

As far as I am aware I have not seen KK online at all today and I have been pretty much online for near 10 hours or so.

I personally find this attack on KK's site and him as a member of this community whilst he is not here to defend himself distateful.

I suggest before posting again JHV, you at least give KK a chance to address your numerous posts which not only attack his site but also KK the person behind the site. Unless of course you want to post the url to your own site. You know the saying: 'People who live in glass houses.....'

The obsession you all have with wanting to look at my sites is starting to creep me out, to be honest. I had no problem initially with that, was actually about to link them but wanted to PM Bryan or Max first to check that it was ok - in the meantime, numerous posters almost started frothing at the mouth wanting to get a look at these sites.

It's downright creepy. And no, I'm not comfortable with it anymore. None of you are poker players, so I don't really see the point. And very few, if any, of you will even understand the advanced strategy being discussed there. It makes this stuff here look like basic arithmetic. No thanks - unless you can give me some better reasons why you're all so obsessed, I'll pass.

KasinoKing is pimping out his flawed martingale (but worse) system here. I think we can address that without all you poring over my sites tying up my CS or worse - for no gain that I can see.

Yes, I will wait for KasinoKing to come respond for himself. Speak to you all soon.

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Oh Webzcas, can you please explain why this thread has been deemed to be Off-Topic? I don't understand why everyone is avoiding that simple question.

[classymom]

I'm not going to read another post in this thread until K K can defend himself on this. I have always given K K the benefit that his strategy works and I believe for him it does. I don't like the way JV is calling him a fraud over and over again IMO it is just wrong

[jetset]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I broached the subject with Bryan a month ago and Bryan said he would not dictate what I could or could not bring to discussion; he just requested that I do it cordially.

Now what's frustrating here, is that as I clearly pointed out to Bryan, I was very close to the only cordial and calm person in the entire thread (with a couple other posters). Yet posters on every page were launching unprovoked attacks. When I pointed this out to Bryan, everyone went silent and my thread got moved to Off-Topic. Feel free to go back and have a read....

I also clearly stated multiple times that I PM'ed Bryan and that Bryan said he'd deal with it and that he'd deleted the link. Believing the link was gone, I saw no reason to pursue KK for past crimes. If I wanted attention, why would I have done all this private stuff with Bryan PM's back and forth? And what possible reason could I desire attention for - to what end?

I'm not a shill. I don't even want to give my URLs as you don't appear to be customers, in any way at all. I'm advertising nothing - simply pointing out a gross lie being allowed to be shilled all over the forum by a "well-respected industry member".

I have an anonymous alias. Where is my motivation for seeking attention, friend? Nothing to sell, nothing to shill, nothing to pimp out, no chance of financial gain, not even trying to build a brand of any kind - answer my questions please?

Don't think your old strategy of harassing the whistle-blower will work here either. If Bryan wants to ban me, he will. But I'm not going to give him reason to, by biting back at these dozens of baiting attempts from this group who really really care about making money - and don't like to see anyone speak truth, do you?

Actually, the more you rant on, the more I perceive you to be desperate for personal attention - and not necessarily in a positive sense. I think perhaps you also have a real need to appear cleverer and generally superior to everyone around you. But that's just a layman's opinion.

Unfortunately, you don't appear to fall into that category despite the big attitude.

I think it's more a personal need than a shill thing - it's all about your ego.

And I'm not about to pander to it any longer - let's see what KK has to say, seeing as he is your primary target.

[KasinoKing]

WOW! Pop out for a few hours and see what happens!

For those interested I was taking someone to the airport today, I only just got home & saw this thread.
I have not seen any personal communication from JHV up to this point.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and my only objection is being called a liar and the accusation that I am deliberately trying to encourage people to lose. This is especially nauseous coming from someone who admits he hasn't actually tried the system himself.

My site just details the method I use which has worked for me for the last 5 years. It doesn't work every time, but overall I am well ahead. Not by fortunes, but a pretty good monthly average.
I have 100s of logs showing my successes and failures which I am happy to provide to anyone here at any time.
I do not claim that it is some magical +EV 'bonus abusing' system which guarantees anyone will profit long term, so you can take it or leave it.

Personally I believe that something with a mathematical probability of occurring 1 in a 100 times will in fact occur 1 in 100 times in the long run. You can believe that or not - your prerogative.

I am not going to get drawn into any massive argument or flaming war on this. If someone can prove that my personal strategy does not work, that I have not really made profits most months for the last 8 years and that this is in fact just one very long dream, I will be all ears!

KK

PS: Many thanks to all those who spoke out in my defense during my absence!

[gambblex]

GSOS,guys!